Episode 54: Your Urban Legends IV
/Spaghetti Warehouse makes its return, along with some spaghetti conspiracies. Grandpa comes back with a Bloody Bones follow up. A fan from Shropshire tells us why they avoid wearing hoodies. We learn never to look a gift camel in the mouth. And, as always, we get freaked out by the creepy stories you’ve got.
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Transcript
AM: Welcome to Spirits Podcast Episode 54: Your Urban Legends Part 4.
JS: Yeah. It’s another Urban Legend roundup. And this one is actually responses to former listener stories.
AM: Yes. So, this is a follow up. So, we respond to some of the urban legends that we have in the previous episode. So, Urban Legends Part 3, and then also our first listener Urban Legend Special. So, if you have not yet listened to the previous ones, you should probably listen to the episode – Urban Legend Episode 3 before you do this one.
JS: You should definitely do that, because not only is it hilarious but it also will give you a little bit of insight into what we're talking about in this one.
AM: Yeah. We read an urban legend that ended up being so like controversial and listener heavy that we got like dozens of emails and tweets in response. So, we had to do some follow up. It's really, really fun. Don't worry. You're gonna love it.
JS: But, speaking of our wonderful listeners --
AM: Yeah.
JS: -- let's talk about some of our new patrons.
AM: Yes. So, thank you to Emmanuel and Katie for joining us on patreon.com/spiritspodcast, where we are actually giving more stuff to our existing patrons.
JS: Yeah.
AM: So, patrons at the $1 per episode level and above – so, every single patron that we have, you are gonna be getting bloopers and cutscenes from episodes.
JS: So, you're going to get one scene that editor Eric thoroughly believes should have made it into the final episode, because it’s hilarious –
AM: Yes.
JS: -- but it just couldn't.
AM: Yeah. And you're gonna get that – we can't promise every single episode, but pretty regularly. And, to begin with, we're gonna give you something to like wet your appetites. And, today, on Patreon, we are releasing a bonus, where I don't know Julia like basically choked and died and laughed for like three minutes straight and just could not get back on mic.
JS: It was – it was just bad.
AM: About something that I said about Tom Hanks.
JS: Yeah. It wasn't about Tom Hanks.
AM: Wait. Who was it?
JS: It was about Jim Carrey.
AM: Jim Carrey, Bill Murray. I don't know. They are all the same in my head.
JS: What? No, they’re not.
AM: No. Anyway, moving on. Moving on. So, go to patreon.com/spiritspodcast, and you can listen to that blooper for free and then also sign up and be a patron if you can.
JS: And some of our favorite patrons. Our --
AM: Yeah. Our supporting producers.
JS: Our good, good folks. I'm gonna read them this time.
AM: Oh, my god.
JS: I'm gonna mess it up and here we go.
AM: 54 episodes in, babe. Let's clock it.
JS: So, it's Neal, Chandra, Philip, Dylan, Julie, Sara, Kristina, Robert, Lindsey, JST, Sandra, Eeyore, Debra, Kimmo, Phil, Ryan, and Catherine.
AM: Good job, babe.
JS: And then --
AM: Yes.
JS: And then there's our legend-level patrons.
AM: They are getting actual physical stuff in the mail every month from us. It is very fun shopping for you guys. We really, really, really love it.
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AM: So, thank you to --
JS: LeAnn, Cassie, Cammie, Shannon, Erin and Ashley. Everyone, if I said your names, like not even just our legends, but also our supporting producers and our new patrons, y'all are the gift camels of the desert of our hearts.
AM: Yep. You are the like naturally skimmed milk with the lemon of our hearts. Just wait for it. It's a great – it's a great thing.
JS: Yeah. You know I love a dairy myth.
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AM: So much.
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AM: Let's do it, y'all.
JS: Yeah. I think --
AM: Let's get to 420 nice.
JS: 420 nice.
AM: And Julia and I will post a picture of ourselves on social media in like compromising, embarrassing – I don't know – some kind of like funny thing that you will enjoy.
JS: Will we? Okay.
AM: I mean I have a picture of myself before a Dave Matthews concert in 2010, where I was wearing three-peace signs pieces of jewelry. I'll post that image on social media when we get to 420 nice.
JS: Okay. Fantastic.
AM: Let's do it.
JS: I, I want to see that, because I haven't seen that photo.
AM: It's a good one. It's a good one.
JS: So, get us 420 reviews. Rate and review us on Apple podcasts. And you will see an embarrassing photo of Amanda.
AM: I love it. But, in the meantime, enjoy Spirits Podcast Episode 54: Your Urban Legends Part 4.
Intro Music.
AM: Welcome back to your hometown Urban Legends Part 4, which, truly, this is becoming a series because this is follow up time y'all.
JS: Yo, it's follow up time.
ES: All of your deepest darkest questions about our user-submitted myths are coming back.
JS: And specifically Spaghetti Warehouse.
AM: There is a lot to be said about Spaghetti Warehouse. I'm just gonna cut to the feeling.
JS: Do it. Do it up.
AM: I'm gonna cut to the chase, where everyone had opinions about Spaghetti Warehouse.
JS: A shit ton of people did.
AM: So, we were just delighted by the fact that it was like a concept. Like just the name was amazing. And the myth was very good. But we heard immediately, upon our episode release, that everybody has a Spaghetti Warehouse story.
JS: Apparently.
AM: It's – we got like over 30 emails and tweets about this thing. I was very excited about it. And the first one that I saw anyway came in from Levi on Twitter, who said that he spent his entire afternoon break googling old Spaghetti Factory versus Spaghetti Warehouse. This, if we were doing a crime documentary, is now where you will cut like a montage where an old Spaghetti Factory like is written on an index card and then pinned to the board, because, lo, we would hear more about the OSF in days to come. So, Levi says that he didn't know Spaghetti Warehouse was a thing, but that we said about it. And he wondered how is this place exactly a copy of OSF. He, from his research, because he did research because he's a spiritual center and he's great, said that it seems like Spaghetti Warehouse, which started in 1972, was copying Old Spaghetti Factory, which was started in 1969, nice, and wondered --
JS: Thank you for that.
AM: You're welcome. So, right now, in my head, I'm being lit by like a single dangling spotlight like police interrogation rooms/Outback Steakhouse style, which is like one --
JS: Okay.
AM: -- big metal light.
ES: The, the two most similar styles of rooms.
AM: Thank you, Eric.
ES: Police interrogation room and the dining room from an Outback Steakhouse.
JS: Uhmm, uhmm. Sounds good.
AM: The Old Outback Steakhouse booths used to have a single metal light just shining down like one spotlight over the table. And, so, it was great if like your bread was in the middle. But, if your dish was like on the side of the booth, good luck. Goodbye. Who knows what you're eating. It was crazy. Anyway, Levi found out that there were these two restaurants. And they were founded three years apart. He is from Portland, the home of the original OSF, and got very weirded out by hearing that the haunted Denver warehouse completely matched this restaurant. And we were like, “That's pretty weird.” And then, listeners, I had to call upon the official investigator of spirits podcast, Ivan Plis, who you may remember from our Koschei, The Deathless episode, which is excellent.
JS: It's an excellent, excellent story.
AM: So, I put him on the case. And he found a metal filter thread, also home of nerds on the internet, who gave us the lowdown of what we know about Old Spaghetti Factory versus Spaghetti Warehouse. So, they're not actually related. So, we think it's a coincidence. It's funny that like spaghetti, after it leaves the factory, goes to the warehouse. I think that's just really funny. And that's how I'm remembering which one came first, because I'm gonna remember this fact when we talk about it at every cocktail party I ever go to in the future for my entire life. So, the Old Spaghetti Factory, the first one, was founded by this person named Guss Dussin. And they pioneered the concept I guess, because there were two people who have done this concept now, of developing restaurant properties in places others considered unworkable. So, he builds like historic, distinctive, sometimes abandoned buildings, in older warehouse districts where the rents were low and then started restaurants there. And, as like the popularity grew, the rent didn't necessarily go up, because they already bought it.
JS: But the areas would improve.
AM: Exactly. Spaghetti Warehouse then started in Garland, Texas, where the company did the same thing. They establish outlets in abandoned factories and warehouses in the downtown's of large metropolitan areas. And they use tax assistance. You know, like to tax breaks to like make it cheaper. So, actually, pretty smart. The decor, so, both restaurants OSF and Spaghetti Warehouse featured a pseudo-Victorian mismatched aesthetic – that is pretty good meta filter commenter – with dark wood paneling, elaborate glass lighting fixtures, and I guess everything has a converted San Francisco trolley car. I don't know that the City of San Francisco has that many trolley cars, that it could like to decorate every single franchise location of OSF and Spaghetti Warehouse.
JS: Apparently, they do.
AM: Apparently, they – I don't know. I don't know. And, and maybe there were like lots of hauntings. But the fact that like one restaurant was started in Portland and one was started in Denver, where did the trolley car come from? I need to know.
JS: Who knows.
AM: One of you must be related to the founders of one of these restaurants. Like I'm relying on you listeners to solve this mystery for the internet for good.
JS: Hit us up.
ES: Wait. Do they both have trolley cars in them?
JS: They both, both versions had trolley cars.
AM: Eric, both, both restaurant chains had trolley cars in every location of their restaurants.
ES: There's – something's up.
AM: Something is fishy. Something is rotten in the State of Denmark.
ES: This is just a big – it's a big scam to unload trolley cars on Spaghetti – on unsuspecting normal, average, middle class people.
AM: We – there's more detail about the food in these restaurants than I ever cared to know, which is that, at both restaurants, entrees cost around $8. It was the 70s before we get too excited and, and wants to go to Spaghetti Warehouse.
JS: That's now like $16
ES: I mean Spaghetti Warehouse is still active that you can visit their website and look at their menu item --
JS: That is true.
ES: -- at meatballs.com.
JS: What? No. That is not the website name. You’re kidding me.
AM: I said meatballs.com?
ES: Did I not tell you guys this?
JS: No.
AM: No.
ES: Oh, I swear I said this to you guys. So, yeah, the, the website – I'm gonna double check on my phone right now and do some quick research. meatballs.com.
AM: Oh, oh research.
ES: Wiping it in.
AM: Talk to me about research.
ES: There's, there's varying levels of research. And this is my level. Meatballs.com takes you to, dut, dut, dut, dut, the Spaghetti Warehouse restaurant website. You can order online.
JS: Oh, my god.
AM: Oh, my god. Where's, where's the nearest location to you?
ES: To me? Well, there used to be – the nearest one to me is Columbus, Ohio.
JS: That’s not that far.
AM: Eric, that is doable.
ES: And the nearest one to you is Syracuse. And the other --
JS: That's very far.
AM: That is not near. That's nearer to you than is to me.
ES: I know. Is it really?
AM: Yes.
JS: It might be. Yeah.
ES: Oh, wow. And the other four are in Texas.
JS: Okay. Seems fair.
AM: Listen, there are six locations. Two of them or in the states that we live in, respectively. I think we can make this happen.
JS: Yeah.
ES: Yeah.
AM: Anyway, once we get there, we will have a small loaf of sourdough bread with a small cutting tray, a serrated knife, and a couple of garlic butter in case you're wondering,
JS: Oh, that sounds like Outback.
AM: It does sound like Outback only Outback bread probably much better.
JS: Yes.
AM: I have a thing about Outback bread. Anyway. The entrees --
ES: Wait. I have an update – I have an update.
AM: What? Oh.
ES: Those with the delivery locations. There is a Spaghetti Warehouse in Akron, which is less than 45 minute from me.
AM: Whoa.
JS: Eric, go to it.
ES: Amanda, you've been in Akron.
AM: I, I have spent a day and a half stranded in Akron, Ohio.
ES: Yeah.
JS: Go to it.
ES: So, so, we could do this. We could do like a live Spirits food cast.
JS: I want to do that thing.
AM: I also want to do that thing. Maybe – hold on. We might have found our next Patreon goal. What if – what if Julia and I live in Akron --
JS: You send us to the Spaghetti Warehouse.
AM: -- and we got a Spaghetti Warehouse. I mean --
JS: Give us that money. Give us that money. Let's do that thing.
ES: I, I think we have too.
AM: I think we found it. If you go to patreon.com/spiritspodcast, you can see the new goal.
JS: And send us to the Spaghetti Warehouse in Akron, Ohio.
AM: Spaghetti gettin’. Get ready.
ES: Spaghetti gettin’.
JS: Okay. Locations of Spaghetti Warehouse versus old Spaghetti Factory.
AM: Ah. So, creepily, Julia, in like any good conspiracy theory, if you map those two things on the same map, it's like an inverse map. OSF and Spaghetti Warehouse in completely different shapes, except for the city of Atlanta where they have both.
JS: Good for you, Atlanta. Do both.
ES: Gotta get Spaghetti. It's a big city.
AM: You know, things that are both are my favorite things. So, those are all the facts that the internet knows about Spaghetti Warehouse and Old Spaghetti Factory. That's it. Those are all of them, all the facts. But --
JS: But we have some personal stories, right?
AM: We do have some personal stories. Julia, what was the first one?
JS: The first one is from Sam. And Sam goes, in Episode 50, you kind of flipped out about "The Old Spaghetti Warehouse", and is it for realsies. And Sam goes, “Well yes, it is and was.”
AM: Sam, your infernal knowledge is now our infernal knowledge.
JS: Sam goes, “Was, because the one that we had in Austin closed six years ago. But I remember it going back to the early 1970s. The chain started in Dallas in 1972 and has eight or nine locations though they're doing poorly.” Thanks Sam.
AM: Just wait. Sam, just waits until after that's – that patented Spirits bump.
JS: So, the Warehouse shtick is that they would take historic abandoned but sound warehouses in the downtown district and turn it into a 1970s Victorian chic dining space with a bar set up to look like it was an 1880 saloon --
AM: Okay.
JS: -- stained in glass windows liberated from demolished Victorian mansions, commercial advertising signs from 1900 to 1955 or thereabout.
AM: Okay. Okay. Can I pause you there, Julia, please? And can we just dwell in the space for a second? So, is that somebody like took over their grandmother's like the 1880s like Victorian mansion and then like put up a bunch of signs throughout the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s? Like what? How do these things go together?
JS: They’re just spaghetti. I don't know.
AM: I don't know.
JS: And he says --
ES: The whole thing is Spaghetti
AM: The dining style is just throwing things to a wall to see what sticks.
JS: Exactly. And yes --
AM: It's a metaphor. Spaghetti Warehouse is a metaphor.
JS: A city trolley car holding pride of place at the center of the restaurant. It was regarded as the prime seating location and the whole restaurant.
AM: Oh, my god. Now I'm picturing that signs from that movie that I'm pretty sure is the Godfather, but I think I might be wrong, where Al Pacino --
ES: Oh, boy.
AM: -- and a girlfriend and someone else go to like a cabaret. Is that what it is?
JS: I'm sorry. What did you just say?
AM: Like Al Pacino, and a girlfriend, and like another couple go to like a cabaret and they like make a fuss over where they're sitting. And it's a mob movie.
JS: That's Goodfellas.
AM: Goodfellas. That's the one.
ES: I think that is Goodfellas.
JS: And Al Pacino is not in that.
AM: Excellent. I picture now that that's happening in a Spaghetti Warehouse in a trolley car.
JS: You can’t --
AM: You cannot shake my head cannon.
JS: So, Sam says for all they had spaghetti in the name the warehouse was pretty much a standard issue family friendly Italian restaurant. It was a perfectly acceptable chain Italian food, less expensive than our Olive Garden, but aiming for the same heist – the same segment.
AM: Yikes.
ES: That's what I'm going for. Less expensive Olive Garden.
AM: I was – I was asked to prom in an Olive Garden. And like I, I expected to be asked I didn’t want like a elaborate fuckin’ whatever that people do these days or at the time. But I was like at the – when it was over, I was just like really an Olive Garden. Like come on.
JS: Anyway, past your high school discretions, Sam says they were introduced to it as a new college student in 1975, Austin. And I thought eating in a wonderful retro elegance Victorian was all the rage in the first part of the 70s.
AM: I believe you, Sam.
JS: A generation later, we would go there and sit in the trolley to please my daughter while we ate.
AM: Okay. From a kid’s perspective, pretty dope to sit inside a trolley --
JS: It's adorable.
AM: -- while you eat. Like that, that's pretty cool. Thank you, Sam. We also heard from Zoe, who said that she used to eat there all the time growing up. Maybes Zoe is Sam's daughter. I don't know. So, Zoe really is bringing the haunting here. So, she tells us that the, the people that run Spaghetti Warehouse didn't just bring in a lot of possibly haunted antiques, but they brought them into a location that was already haunted to begin with.
JS: This is the shit that I'm here for.
AM: This is what I'm here for. Now, I don't know in what city Zoe lives, but, in her location, the building used to be a pharmacy before the pharmacist fell down an elevator shaft and died.
JS: I think the one that Zoe is mentioning specifically is the one that’s in Houston that was mentioned in the original email.
AM: That we're extensively following up on. I'm just really deep into --
JS: Yes.
AM: -- the spaghetti rabbit hole.
JS: Go ahead.
AM: Okay. Great. So, she says that the, the building then used to be a pharmacy before the pharmacist fell down an elevator shaft and died. Interestingly, the pharmacist doesn't haunt the building. He moved on. But the ghost of his distraught wife does.
JS: Same.
AM: Dang. Indeed. On top of that, the place has become such a --
ES: Wait. Did you say dang or same?
JS: I said same. Just to clarify, I said same.
ES: Okay. Just to be clear, not the same as your current situation, Julia. Very different situation.
JS: Um, I don't know about that.
ES: You've – as far as I know, you've never married a pharmacist. And, also --
JS: But I also feel like --
AM: Also died.
JS: -- if my husband died, I – he would move on, but I would haunt the shit out of the place that he died in.
AM: Have you guys talked about this or you just know?
JS: No, we haven't talked about it yet.
AM: You don't talk about it. You just know.
JS: It's one of those conversations we should have before the wedding.
AM: Yeah. You should – you should put that on your premarital counseling agenda, babe.
JS: Hmmm.
ES: Yeah. And I mean, if I know one thing about Jake, he is going to want to haunt people. So, like --
JS: That's true. He does want to haunt people.
AM: Nothing would be more fun.
JS: We can – we can dual haunt.
ES: He loves haunted houses.
JS: We can dual haunt like, like the couple in Beetlejuice.
AM: You tag team haunt. I love that.
JS: Tag team haunt.
ES: I've never seen Beetlejuice.
JS: What?
AM: I know. Me neither. There's just a guy with scary hair.
ES: I recently – I did recently rented. So, I have 10 days to watch it.
JS: Buddy, buddy, watch it and get back to me. Do the thing.
AM: From a Blockbuster? Where did you rent it?
ES: I, I got that TiVo on Tuesdays. People – here's the thing. Here's the thing. People take out TiVo all the time. And this is – this podcast is not sponsored by TiVo.
JS: Definitely not.
ES: But, every Tuesday, they give you free shit. And, sometimes, it's a movie rental.
AM: Eric.
ES: That's, that's good.
AM: Eric, Ohio is so different.
ES: Not's Ohio. That's everywhere the TiVO --
JS: That’s not true.
AM: The Heartland, stick with me here.
ES: There's TiVO shops in New York City.
AM: There’s one on my block.
JS: Yeah. I know they’re ghosts. They live in old places.
AM: All right. Let's get back to this pharmacist – pharmacist wife.
ES: It’s America's favorite network.
JS: Shut up, Eric.
AM: Oh, my god. You don't get that kind of thing for free. You can get in touch. So, Zoe's parents used to tell her that – the location was where all the ghosts like to hang out. Oh, my god, Zoe's parents, What do you do that I don't? So, maybe the trolley’s deal is that just all the ghosts think it's neat. So, they hang around there a lot. Same.
JS: Same.
AM: I want to hang out on different forms of transportation when I'm a ghost. But Zoe brings us a personal ghost story. Julia.
JS: That we're sneaking in what we talk about Spaghetti Warehouse.
AM: What would you like to say it?
JS: I – of course, I would. So,she says, this is my personal ghost story. It's probably a bit more on the cute side than on the creepy side. But, hey, cute’s good, right?
AM: Cute is good. Cute is good.
JS: This is a thing that happened to me back --
ES: It's good.
JS: -- at my dad's old apartment. At this apartment, there were a lot of stray cats walking around. So, when I was taking a walk one day around the complex, it wasn't that surprising to see a black cat out and about walking around the parking lot, except something was off. This cat was pitch black. The sun wasn't even reflecting off it's fur. It looks more like a cat-shaped void than anything else. Nevertheless, a cat is a cat and I am never one to pass up the chance to say hello to a cat.
AM: Same.
JS: I approached it. And, when it noticed me, it seemed to jump straight up into the ground in one fluid motion and disappear.
AM: Into the ground?
JS: Into the ground.
AM: Jesus.
JS: This was in broad daylight, mind you. And there was no way I could have just lost sight of it. I went to investigate the area, because I figured, “Oh, it probably just jumped through a drainage grate or something. Well, the grate was there, but the holes were so small that not even a squirrel could slip through it, much less a cat. And that's my story about how I met a ghost cat. And, Zoe, that's an awesome fucking story.
AM: Zoe, that is pretty good. And I think it's a good like wetting our appetite in terms of ghosts for Laura's email, which is like ghosts per word of text, the densest ghost email we've ever gotten. So --
JS: Fantastic. Let’s do it up.
AM: So, Laura is from Vancouver. Eric, don't snort at my quantification of our ghost emails.
ES: That's okay, because it is exactly that. It’s exactly that I’m snorting at.
AM: Listen, sometimes, you have to just like grasp for the only piece of reality that you can get in this situation. And, when I wake up every single morning to a spooky email from a listener, I'm gonna do it. So, Laura is from Vancouver, British Columbia, also known as Canada.
JS: Thank you.
AM: Where, in 1970, the very first old Spaghetti Factory opened.
JS: I'm sorry.
AM: Yes.
JS: You're, you're passing over the fact that she uses the #spaghetti.
AM: Oh, no. I was going to end with that.
JS: Okay.
AM: Which is that Laura came up with the greatest hashtag portmanteau of haunted Spaghetti Factory of all times. Spaghetti.
JS: Well, to be fair, we've also been using the #Spaghost.
AM: Spaghost.
JS: Spaghost.
AM: I know. I know. I really enjoyed it.
JS: Which I, I thoroughly like about on the same level.
ES: Why not Spaghosty?
AM: Oh.
JS: No. No. Spaghost.
AM: I really am also enjoying nghost, which is a Nokia ghost.
JS: No. No.
AM: I don't know.
ES: I, I give you that one. And I hated it as soon as I said it. I was like, “Is this the best one?” And then, as soon as I tried it, I went, “No, no, son. It's the worst one actually.”
AM: But I mean there's so many more you can do with your voice than you can on text like farfalle. Can you just say that?
JS: All you did was say farfalle, but with like a spooky mystery.
AM: Eric is trying really hard.
JS: No.
AM: He’s --
ES: I just took a sip right before you did that.
AM: Farfalle.
ES: There was nothing about ghosts to that. There's nothing about ghosts to that.
JS: Nothing about ghosts, but she just said it in a spooky voice.
ES: You just said it like Dracula.
AM: Was it spooky or was it not?
ES: You did --
JS: Like all you can do is like farfalle. Like that doesn't mean anything.
ES: Farfalle. Tortellini.
AM: See? See?
JS: These aren't spooky. All you did was do a voice.
AM: Linguine.
JS: No. Stop it. Stop it. Bad Amanda.
ES: I think it's very funny.
AM: Risotto.
ES: That one – you know, that one wasn't as good. That one – that one I’m not gonna stand behind.
AM: So, in Vancouver, just a shitload of ghosts I guess. So, in the grocery Wholesaler Headquarters that later became the Old Spaghetti Factory, old I guess. I don’t know. Because, in Canada, old’s fine. A recycled trolley car from 1904 plopped down right in the middle of the restaurant. It is known to be haunted by a tram conductor uniform and all, who many think came with the trolley.
JS: Probably.
AM: That would make sense. He's often seen after closing sitting in the trolley, but he generally seems to mind his own business.
JS: That's good. He’s so polite.
AM: People also experience cold spots while on the trolley and things can move around inside of it inexplicably.
JS: I feel like in a restaurant a cold spot is not a very impressive thing, because restaurants are always cold 100 percent of the time.
AM: Yeah, like really drafty. Yeah, agreed.
ES: Yeah.
JS: Especially one that's in a warehouse.
AM: Not good insulation there. No. Another ghost --
ES: Terrible.
AM: -- known to reside in the restaurant is a small man with red hair, who wears red long johns and a red shirt. Okay, guy, I get it. People refer to him as Looky Loo. Why does name you ask? Because his favorite pastime is surprising women in the washroom. Fun. That fun was from – was from Laura. So, thank you, Laura.
ES: I really hope it's a ghost.
AM: I also super hope it's a ghost. Yeah. That'd be the best case scenario. Apparently, one woman tried to take a photo of the man when he burst in on her in the washroom, but, when the photo came out, there's only a blur in his place. A blur of like sin and creepitude. Ugh. Two other ghosts occupy the old Spaghetti Factory, a little boy and a little girl. A staff member claims to have had a conversation with the little girl once, during which, she explained to him that she was looking for her mother and then disappeared.
JS: Sounds right.
AM: The final ghost is a little boy, who according to a psychic that visited the restaurant years ago is named Edward.
JS: Sounds right.
AM: Now, all I wanna do is just go on a road tour with or as a psychic to locations of Spaghetti Warehouse and/or Old Spaghetti Factory all over North America.
JS: Same.
AM: Please.
JS: Can that be our new podcast? You know how there's a podcast about trying to find the McDonald's pizza?
AM: No.
JS: Can ours just be going to Old Spaghetti Warehouses and stuff like that and try to find a ghost?
AM: I want it. I want it.
JS: All right. Cool.
AM: I want it.
ES: Yeah.
AM: If you make TV, get in touch. So, Edward the ghost, he likes to run around the restaurant even barging into the kitchen. He bends cutlery set out on tables, because why not. Well, that was genuinely pretty terrifying. People have seen him and tried to follow him when he runs away, but he always disappears when they reach where he should be. Like a pot of gold under a rainbow. That was my editorializing, not, not Laura. So, one time, a new staff member saw Edward and chased him around the restaurant, but, when she caught up with him, he looked her in the face and she saw his eye sockets were fucking empty --
JS: Oh, no.
AM: -- and then she quit.
JS: Same.
AM: So, the smartest waitress of all time. Well done.
ES: Very smart.
AM: Well done.
JS: You did good.
AM: Last fun fact is that the psychic who identified Edward the ghost also claims the restaurant is host to a vortex that acts as a portal for spirits to enter into this dimension. Because, as Laura says, you gotta have carbs even in the afterlife.
JS: Thank you, Laura.
AM: And she sent us photos. Thank you, Laura.
JS: Yes.
AM: Oh, wow. That, that is our old Spaghetti Factory/Spaghetti Warehouse follow up spectacular. Spooktacular in fact.
JS: It makes me so happy.
ES: I, I think it's most important to investigate what dark path the owners of Olive Garden have made to keep their buildings not haunted.
JS: They’re not Spaghetti haunted.
AM: Wow.
ES: Because they've got pasta and there seems to be this thing with pasta and haunting. So, I'm just saying Olive Garden is up to some shit.
AM: You're completely right.
JS: Well, I think one, one would argue that the Olive Garden is also not bringing old antiques into their restaurants and then trying to sell them off is like, “Ooh, vintage.”
AM: Except for their recipes, am I right?
JS: Yeah.
ES: But then – but then why are – why aren’t like TGI Fridays haunted? They got a bunch of old shit up the walls.
AM: That is a great – that is a great point.
ES: The common linking thing is pasta.
AM: Or Applebees like has photos of actual like sports teams from the city in that – in that area. Maybe the just like innocent souls of the kids in the photos protect Applebees from it's haunting. Fridays, I don't know what kind of dope devil they have. And, before we do some follow up on our most iconic hometown Urban Legend to date Bloody Bones, I am gonna need a refill.
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JS: Yeah, maybe try and find a picture of Bloody Bones.
AM: Wooh.
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JS: For those of you that might not remember the Bloody Bones story from Ashton, here's a flashback for you. In the trees, lives Bloody Bones. He wanders from hill to hill looking for small children that stay out past sundown. He likes to stay close to the water, rivers, lakes, ponds, puddles, and creeks. You don't hear him coming. You won't see him running, because he stays in the trees or in the water until he jumps out and lands on top of you to eat the flesh off your bones alive.
AM: That escalated quickly, Ashton.
JS: But don't go looking for him neither. During the day, he likes to keep hidden. If he sees you, he'll sit and wait. Keep your eyes off the tree line, because, if he is spotted, he attacks. But, at night, nothing can keep you from the clutches of Bloody Bones. If he sees you, you're done for. Only a few have been able to escape him. I saw him once. He looks like a man, but he's not. He's about eight foot tall and three foot wide.
AM: Oh, my god.
JS: He's bright red, because he's got no skin.
AM: No.
ES: Worst part. Worst part.
AM: Worst part.
JS: His body is made up of the children he eats.
AM: Nope. It got worse.
JS: I think that the worst part.
AM: It got worse. I forget about that one. It got worse.
ES: I forgot – I forgot. That is the worst part.
AM: The more kids he eats, the larger he gets.
AM: Nope, nope, nope.
JS: He's got a big mouth with long teeth as sharp as razor blades. His fingers are long. And he's got claws for fingernails. You better be careful. I saw something rustling in the trees earlier. Bloody Bones is nearby.
AM: Which is horrifying and which Ashton requested that we read in our best Appalachian accent.
JS: Did I do okay?
AM: No. No. We can't Ashton. We're just gonna go with our creepy grandpa voice instead, which I think you did very well, babe.
JS: That was my creepy grandpa voice.
AM: Thank you. And we were delighted to get an update from Ashton.
JS: Eric, if you please.
AM: Eric, our Appalachian in the room, would you please read it?
ES: Yes. Here is Appalachia.
AM: Or nearest too.
ES: Okay. Near – nearest, nearest to Appalachia. Here is the update. I wrote in with the Blood Bones story about my grandfather scarring me and my cousin for life by jumping out of a tree. I finally was able to have my grandfather listen to the podcast episode when I was in Kentucky for a wedding. He thought it was so cool. Thank you very much, grandpa.
AM: So, so many things here. One, is that – yeah, for further context. Ashton's grandfather hid in a tree and then jumped down at 75 years old like on top of his grandchildren to scare them, because they were out past dark. Such commitment to scaring, which I really appreciate.
ES: Very, very good commitment.
AM: Also, excellent job playing Spirits for your grandparents.
JS: Love it.
AM: I want nothing more than for people to play Spirits for their grandparents and write in with their grandparents' reactions; ideally, also a photo. So, please that's your homework.
ES: However, when I asked him if you remember instilling fear and anxiety in his two granddaughters, he said, “I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't remember doing that.” Granted, this was about 12 to 15 years ago when he is 75 years old. So, I described the events of the rest of the weekend, and his eyes lit up and he said, “Oh, well, I did drink about half a bottle of medicine – that's what he calls Jack Daniels – that night. Your mama, my grandmother, was driving me nuts.
AM: Wow.
ES: He then proceeded to pour himself a Jack and Coke, and told my cousin and I you should be glad I just told you about Bloody Bones. Oh, no. Raw Head is who you really should have looked out for.
JS: Thank you, grandpa
AM: Yes. It gets worse.
ES: Apparently, there's an even more terrifying tale, my grandfather told me about.
JS: Thank – thank God.
AM: I'm really glad --
JS: Thank God for grandpas and terrifying tales.
AM: I'm really glad Ashton is sharing this trauma with us. I'm so ready. I didn't read this email pass here, because I knew it was gonna be good.
ES: Yeah. I haven't read any of this. So, I have no idea of what I was getting into.
AM: Also, I guess, if you want us to like to read weird shit – I don't know – bury it in a good ghost story.
ES: Exactly. Here's the story of Raw Head, the more terrifying thing than Bloody Bones. Raw Head was the pet of an old magic woman, who lived in the hills of Kentucky. He was a wild hog.
AM: Oh, no.
ES: Oh, did it – see? It’s going that way. That had rooted around in her kitchen so much, that the magical properties of the thing she dropped started to take effect.
JS: Yo.
ES: He was called Raw Head, because he was so ugly and looked like a dead pig carcass that was freshly slaughtered.
AM: Holy shit.
JS: No.
ES: He was known to walk upright and even will talk.
AM: No, no, no. It got worse.
ES: One day, he wandered off and was caught by a hunter. What kind of hunter?
AM: No, no, no, no.
ES: It’s like that's what I'm gonna – that's what I'm gonna catch.
AM: A hunter whose grandfather did not tell him a Bloody Bones. That’s who.
ES: Raw Head was slaughtered by the hunter.
JS: No.
ES: And the woman decided to cast a spell that reanimated the dismembered corpse of Raw Head. She then set this Frankenstein's monster type of --
AM: Yes, yes, yes.
ES: Thank you for Frankenstein’s monster type of creature. After the hunter that killed him. Raw Head found and murdered the hunter. To reward him, the old woman used part of the hunters prize game and gave him claws and sharp teeth and a raccoon tail.
JS: I just fist bumped at that description.
AM: Julia, you’re horrifying. You’re a horrifying individual.
JS: Yes, I am.
ES: Once a month during a full moon, of course, Raw Head can be seen rising through the woods on the back of a horse wearing the hunter's clothes looking for his next victim.
JS: Nope.
AM: No, no, no, no, no.
ES: No.
AM: No.
ES: No.
AM: No.
JS: Actually, that was a great story. Thank you for writing in.
ES: So, so, this has so many layers to it, because, first, it's just a ugly pig.
AM: Ugly pig.
ES: Then it's an ugly pig that has possessed magical powers.
AM: Yep.
JS: And stands upright and talks.
AM: Andc a witch for a mom.
ES: It's walking around. It's talking. It gets murdered. Then it gets reanimated and just like Voltrons a bunch of other parts to it.
JS: Yep. It Voltrons a bunch of parts.
AM: It upgraded. It upgraded.
ES: And, now, it's – this is like a scarier tale.
AM: It is.
JS: Yeah.
ES: It really is.
AM: Ashton closes their email with have fun trying to go to sleep with that image in your brains. Oh, I will Ashton. I will think of you when at 3:00 in the morning I'm lying in my bed, looking out the window, trying to get that image out of my head.
JS: Right, right, right.
ES: See, I, I won't because, here at Spirits Podcast, we dream that for real.
JS: That is true.
AM: That's true. That's true.
JS: You barely – you very rarely remember the episodes that we record after we've recorded them.
AM: Oh, it's true. It's great. I'm also a listener and fan of Spirits, because I just listened to the episode when it's done. And I'm like, wow.
JS: We did good.
AM: What, what funny jokes and good commentary, because I completely forget what happens when we record.
JS: I have one.
AM: Oh, what is your follow up?
JS: So, we have an email. We didn't read it on air. We actually responded to it via email, but I feel like we should read the entire email thing. And this is the Chronicle of Spen and the Domovoy.
AM: Yeah. So, Spen had an actual pressing mythological need and question and situation that we had to answer in real time.
JS: Yeah.
AM: So, we will give you the full saga.
JS: So, Spen says, I listened to the 30 Myths in 30 Minutes episode. And you mentioned the Domovoy from Slavic legend. I did not know the full story behind them until I listened to that episode, and I honestly freaked out. My whole family's very traditionally Russian. And, last year, when I moved into my own apartment, my parents gave me a small idol of a Domovoy. His name is Cozia. I was told he was like a brownie, which is a household fairy, and that he would bring me good luck.
AM: Mistake number one.
JS: The complete opposite happened. In my first few months in the apartment, everything was going wrong. All the appliances were breaking for no reason. But, as soon as the repair person came, everything would start to work again. I looked like a crazy person. Then weirder stuff started happening. Every few nights, I woke up at 3:00 AM to something tapping my foot. My bad luck was getting worse and worse to the point where I thought I’d get kicked out of university and become homeless.
AM: No.
JS: Imagine how I felt at once I read that being touched by Domovoy was a harbinger of doom, and that it wants to drive me out of my home. I didn't know where the idol gifted from me came from, but it was unlikely that it was bought new because my parents and I live in Scotland. I have a theory that it has to do with being handed down in my family and possibly a spirit of one of my relatives may have been attached to it. It seems like a long stretch, but it is very possible that my grandmother passed this along to me to bring me luck, but I, being a queer transgender man and far from the conservative Russian ideals, I thought I was being haunted by a poltergeist for a year. But, now, I think I have been cursed by Domovoy. Things are better than they were last year, but I am still hit with large bouts of bad luck when it comes to matters of the household.
JS: So, we were horrified for Spen and very, very nervous. So, we contacted our Russian folklore expert Ivan. I guess Ivan is just like our mythological – like I mean he’s our ghostbuster. Like he's the person we call when there's trouble. Ivan is Russian. And he wrote back to us with some advice. So, we said back to Spen, Ivan wanted to assure you that the Domovoy isn't a vengeful relative or trying to pass judgment on you. You just need to appease it, to keep your home as clean as you can, leave out snacks for it sometimes. He recommended porridge, milk, tobacco, bread, or salt. But Julia did some research as well and heard that porridge and milk worked best. Ivan also suggested getting rid of the actual physical object, which was a very good idea. And Julia threw in that sage wherever, you know, in the house you want to put it is probably also a good idea. So, that made sense to me. I was glad to hear that it wasn't some, you know, old granny, you know being, being mean to our friend, but Spen happily wrote back with an update.
JS: Yeah. And Spen said thank you and Ivan for the advice. Things have been a bit better, but I do have a paranormal update, which just pleases the punch out of me.
AM: I want to hear all your paranormal updates guys. All the time.
JS: Spen said, so, I woke up in the morning of Halloween to a figure of a burlap sack at the end of my bed. It was tied at the top and looked like there was a person inside.
AM: No, no, no, no, no.
ES: No. no. I'm done. Bye. See you guys.
AM: No, no, no. I'm gone. I dropped out of school. I moved out of the apartment. I burned my life and leave behind Burn Notice. I'm done.
JS: Well, that's not what Spen did. Spen said, I knew that no one had broken into my flat, because I can see the locked door from my bed and I lived by myself.
AM: This is worse, Spen, not better.
ES: Yeah. Yeah. Good view. That's a good detail.
JS: I thought --
ES: That's, that makes it worse.
JS: I thought that my eyes are playing tricks in the early morning light.
AM: That's an elaborate trick.
JS: And, so, I rolled over in my bed to lie on my side, and that was when I felt the mattress dip behind my back as if someone had lied down next to me. And I heard a deep man's voice whisper, “Booo,” into my ear. I was so freaked out that I froze up completely. My heart was pounding out of control. Sadly, I can't remember exactly what happened after that. But I think I fell asleep again after a while.
AM: Oh, my god.
JS: That's impressive, Spen.
AM: Oh, my god.
JS: Then he continued saying this is the most bizarre experience I've ever had. I used to experience sleep paralysis when I was a teenager, and this definitely wasn't that. Since then I've been burning sage and holy wood almost daily. Good choice.
AM: Good choice.
JS: And I've moved the Domovoy idol from my altar with offerings of tobacco and milk. I'm planning to move to a new apartment next academic year or I may be moving to Denmark to study in Copenhagen. A spirit made me move out of the country. LMAO. Not really, but it seems convenient.
AM: You completely are absolutely allowed to move out of the country and leave that idol the heck behind, Spen.
JS: And Spen ends the email with your boy, Spen, which I appreciate.
AM: Oh, Spen, you are our boy. And I super don't want this Domovoy to make any trouble for you. I don't know. Burn it inside a church or something. I don't know what the best way to like --
ES: Yeah.
AM: -- exorcise a terrible demon from your life might be. But like you gotta – you gotta keep up the good work and stay, stay safe and maybe less creepy.
JS: Do you think we have a few minutes for another round of emails. I would I guess.
AM: Yeah. I would love to. I'd love to move outside of these very scary and real urban legends. I have a very cool story from someone whose parents have an interesting tale from Libya.
JS: Go for it.
AM: So, I have an email from Bashar, who was born in Libya and grew up there and lives in Canada now. So, they wrote in to tell us that their dad was born and raised in a town called Derna, on the eastern coast of Libya, about halfway and a bit to the south between Derna and another town called to Tobruk in a desert Valley called Wādī an Nāqah maybe, which translates to the Valley of --
JS: Good [Inaudible 40:36].
AM: -- the Naga. A Naga is what we call a female camel. The valley is deep and tricky to navigate. And it's easy for travelers to get lost. And, when the wind whips through it, it would throw sand in your eyes.
JS: Not good.
AM: Sounds like a desert. It does. So, the reason the valley was in the Valley of the Naga is a legend about a naga that would appear when a traveler loses their way or is in need of help in the valley. Finding a naga without an owner in the desert is a very fortunate thing. They used to be – and still are to people living in towns that are sort of outside in the desert. They're very valuable. And naga not only provides transport, but also a light and naturally skimmed milk that doesn't curd when you squeeze lemon juice into it. It's milk for you, Julia.
JS: I love milk and cheese mythology. It's my favorite.
AM: I gave you – I give you a dairy-related myth.
JS: Thank you.
AM: You're welcome. So, basically, if a nomad or someone traveling the desert found a naga, they found something that is completely like treasure-esque. Like it's completely valuable. But people, who find this naga and decide to ride it, will come to regret it. As they ride it further away from the valley, they will sometimes find their feet suddenly dragging across the sand. And then minutes later they would tower far above the ground way higher than a camel could ever be.
JS: Yo! This reminds me of the chairs in our, RIP, favorite bar that Amanda and I used to go to for happy hour --
AM: RIP, RIP Jekyll & Hyde.
JS: -- which was the Jekyll & Hyde Club.
AM: RIP, the only good place in Times Square, Jekyll & Hyde. Austin, we miss you.
JS: The, the chairs at the bar would slowly move up and down as you sat on them.
AM: Yeah.
JS: So, you'd have your knees cross and, all of a sudden, like one minute later you – your knees would be hitting the bar, and then, another minute later, they'd be down on the ground.
AM: Yeah, it was just slow enough that you would just think you were drunk, which you probably were --
JS: Yeah.
AM: -- because it was a two for one happy hour. And the drinks were like eight ounces of alcohol --
JS: Good happy hour.
AM: -- and then a little bit of mixer and a bunch of like weird food dye. And there were – there were Hitchcock movies that played on the TV's in black and white.
JS: Silent Hitchcock movie.
AM: Silent. No captions. So, Julia and I were left to just improv the lines.
JS: Oh, Charles.
AM: Oh, Charles. Oh, Sandra. Yeah. It was good.
JS: It was great.
AM: Anyway. So, camel goes up and down. It's scary. Who knows. But those who survive only do so when they realize that it was not a nagaa they rode, but a jinn and flee for their life.
JS: Yo.
AM: Bashar got goosebumps the first time that their dad told them this story.
JS: That's a really cool, cool story.
AM: That is and also just like just kind of chaotic and weird and like – I don't know – making you question reality enough to be like, “What the hell did I just experienced?” And I love those kinds of myths. So, thank you, Bashar.
JS: Thank you. Eric, do you have one to go next or do you want me to go?
ES: All right. This myth comes from Emma. And Emma says, my family home is an old farmhouse in Shropshire, England --
JS: Sweet.
ES: -- that was originally built in the 1500s.
AM: Nice. Shit.
ES: It stayed in my family – oh.
AM: No, no, no. I'm just excited.
ES: Yeah, I can tell.
JS: It's like shit --
AM: England man --
JS: -- fuck. It’s cool.
AM: That stuff is – that stuff is older than my whole country.
ES: It's been in my family since the mid 1800s, but we don't know much of its history from before then.
JS: That's concerning.
ES: My grandparents used to tell me that they would see a gray-hooded figure in it and around the house.
JS: That would be a good movie.
AM: Nope. Sell it. Burn it down.
ES: Not great. My grandfather, in particular, said he loved it when he saw the ghost and would wave at it from across the field.
JS: Your grandfather is weird.
AM: Grandpa. Grandpa.
ES: Yeah. He's just cool with it.
AM: I think – I think he would enjoy the Bloody Bones grandpa. They should be friends.
JS: They should be friends.
ES: Yeah. While my grandmother said she saw it in their bedroom whenever she got sick.
JS: That's concerning. That's --
AM: Oh.
JS: -- that's like the thinly-veiled near death series.
ES: Very much an omen.
AM: I don't like it.
ES: When I was about 16, we redecorated a little room up a winding staircase that had only been used for storage until then. And it became my bedroom.
AM: Oh, oh.
ES: Soon after, I started getting sleep paralysis and, you guessed it, would see a creepy-hooded figure at the end of the bed.
AM: Nope, nope, nope, nope.
JS: No.
ES: This pretty much terrified me at first, but I became used to it. And, when I moved out, my sleep paralysis stopped.
JS: Yeah.
AM: You think?
JS: No, no, no, no.
JS: It’s about right.
AM: Do you think it’s your haunted garret room? I do.
ES: I hadn't thought about it for years until my younger brother recently took over that room. He never knew about my experiences, but I was spooked when I heard he started having sleep paralysis. Same with the visions.
AM: No.
ES: Another creepy thing I remember happening is when I was home alone during uni summer holidays. It's quite a way out in the countryside. So, my friends dropped me off after a night out. And I was tired. So, I went straight to bed. However, the next morning they asked me why I didn't way back. I told them I didn't know what they meant. And they revealed that all three of them had seen a figure staring out at them from the downstairs parlor, a room I had been nowhere near that evening. Yeah, my friends insisted, you put on a gray hoodie.
JS: Oh, fuck me.
AM: No. Fuck. That's how I feel about that.
ES: That's real. That's, that's a real fit I guess.
AM: No.
JS: Shit.
AM: Oh, so good.
JS: Come on.
AM: So bad. Never, never sleep there again.
JS: No, no, no, no, no. Leave the house.
ES: No. No. I don't want that. No.
AM: No, no, no, no. Eric, you're wearing a gray hoodie right now.
ES: Oh, no. It was me.
JS: It was you the whole time.
ES: I'm the ghost.
AM: You’re the ghost of Shropshire.
JS: A place I couldn't pronounce for the first, first couple of tries of the, the reading of that email.
AM: You know, your pronunciation was so bad that our Skype call ended. And we had to restart it.
ES: Fuck.
AM: Guys, we are so happy to hear your horrifying stories. I, I like nothing more than putting myself through deep psychic pain by reading about your experiences. So, please continue to send these in. You can go to spiritspodcast.com/contact or email us at spiritspodcast@gmail. com. Please, please, please give us your stories. We love them.
JS: We need some more.
AM: We are doing these every month. Every month, we are doing these hometown urban legend.
JS: That's true. And, as we say every week, whenever we think about you in our lives --
AM: Julai is so traumatized that she can't even do this right now.
JS: So, stay creepy.
AM: Stay cool.
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AM: Spirits was created by Amanda McLoughlin, Julia Schifini, and Eric Schneider with music by Kevin MacLeod and visual design by Allyson Wakeman.
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AM: Thank you so much for listening, till next time.
Transcriptionist: Rachelle Rose Bacharo
Editor: Krizia Casil