Episode 340: Your Urban Legends LXXIX - Guess How Many Sides a Triangle Has!
/Kids love triangles. Even though they’re very haunted. We tell camp stories featuring night sweeping, our desire to visit the school’s boiler room, and the RETURN OF THE DEMON PLUSH.
Content Warning: This episode contains conversations about or mentions of fire, genitals, death, natural disasters, insects, child endangerment, child death, and blood.
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AMANDA: Welcome Spirits Podcast, a boozy dive into mythology, legends, and folklore. Every week we pour a drink and learn about a new story from around the world. I'm Amanda.
JULIA: And I'm Julia.
AMANDA: And this is episode 340, where we are here to bring you more of your urban legends, including—and Julia, it's a safe space here, it's just you and me. And so normally we started these hotel urban legends recording checking in with each other, with Schneider with the ghosts that definitely lives in his attic and basement.
JULIA: Yep, yep.
AMANDA: The ghost has taken up residence in his throat.
JULIA: That's true, it has.
AMANDA: Eric, can you just want to go ahead and drop in a little clip that you recorded for us of you and your voice.
JULIA: Seems like the ghost is spreading to you now Amanda, are you okay?
AMANDA: Oh, yeah, no, that wa—that was a temporary, that was temporary.
ERIC: Good morning, I have a very raspy voice, but not COVID taken a test yesterday, and today I have a sore throat, and I sound like it's—
AMANDA: Yeah, we are recording this under wild—wildfire smoke, where the building across from my desk here is white and looks yellow. So that's what's happening just like in the world broadly?
JULIA: Not great right now.
AMANDA: Uh, not great. And like an upcoming guest said to us yesterday Julia when we were recording, a horror lets us be scared on our own terms instead of whenever the world just decides to drop, you know, natural events on us. So— anyway, that's what's going on with— with us and much Schneider over there. He's— he is just fine. Uh, he just got a bit of a laryngitis cold situation, but we are here together, you and me to bring more urban legends to the people.
JULIA: We are. And Amanda I'm just going to start us off right away. I'm—I'm ready to go. Amanda.
AMANDA: Ohh.
JULIA: Amanda.
AMANDA: Oh, shit.
JULIA: I have a flash update.
AMANDA: Huh! Yes. Alright, give the listener some context. This is from a couple of a—a months ago.
JULIA: Yes. This is from our episode with Janet Varney, where our final story from that episode was about a haunted plush that was then destroyed by the parents because it was—
AMANDA: Correctly.
JULIA: — horrifying.
AMANDA: Yep.
JULIA: And we got a lot of questions regarding that in terms of like, what the plush was? What's going on? What were the ages of the people involved here? There was a lot of questions that were left behind. And luckily Rose has sent in an update.
AMANDA: Oh, Rose what a hero. There are no greater heroes on the internet Julia, than original posters who come back with an update.
JULIA: Yes. Okay, so Rose says, “I'm back with more info on my previous story and a less creepy story. I just wanted to tell you that when I heard you guys read my story about my uncle's plush, I screamed in pure joy. I ran to my uncle's house and told him about the podcast and the fact that you had read the story. He found it really cool.”
AMANDA: Aww!
JULIA: Shout-out, uncle. Awesome.
AMANDA: Also Rose, you— you're cooler than us, because your story was read to Janet Varney, and we were simply there. So I mean, good job.
JULIA: So Rose said, “thank you for that serotonin release.” You're welcome.
AMANDA: You're welcome.
JULIA: Anyway, let's get into the info and the story. "So I will be 17 at the end of the year and my uncle's 36, (just an FYI). Which, you know, what makes a lot more sense.
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: I feel better about everything that's involved there. I'm happy now, it's all good.
AMANDA: Me too.
JULIA: “So apparently, my grandmother also tore open the plush and then burned it.” As a result of the story.
AMANDA: Smart.
JULIA: “My uncle worries that the plush was sentient like the stuffed animal in the movie “Ted,” and he lost the chance to have a best friend.” That's extremely funny reaction to a very traumatizing thing.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: “Also, under that assumption, what my grandfather did could have been an arrestable offense.” If it had been sentient, certainly, yes.
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: I don't think we have laws about the sentience of inanimate objects, so.
AMANDA: Yeah, my first thought went to, is it like illegal to have open fires in your Township? That's— that's how you know that we are your uncle's age, because we are like, oh, yes, of course, a code violation.
JULIA: Yes, of course. I don't want to pay that fine.
AMANDA: No, no, no.
JULIA: “So anyway, here's a link to what my uncle said the plush look like”. And Amanda open this link.
AMANDA: Okay.
JULIA: And I audibly gasped.
AMANDA: Great.
JULIA: And that's why we're starting with this. This is what the plush look like.
AMANDA: I mean, this is an adorable plush Julia, that could not be more demonic if it spoke to me.
JULIA: Now for the people at home Amanda, describe it to me, and then I'll tell you what it looks like to me.
AMANDA: Okay. So this is a very standard-looking teddy bear. It has like tufted fur, almost like if you ever had like a lamb plush, where it's a kind of a big toughs pretty proportional like longer limbs relative to its body. It's not one of those plushies that is like all-body like little stubby arms, legs. Pretty long legs, pretty long arms. Sweet little button eyes and then a snout that has like the nose, the little line of the upper lip, and the mouth all on one part and sweet little rounded bear ears.
JULIA: Now Amanda have you ever seen the commercials for the Snuggle Line of fabric softener?
AMANDA: Yes, this looks just like that bear.
JULIA: It does but like if—if it looked a little bit more fucked up, that's what this bear looks like.
AMANDA: No doubt. I— I mean the— the mouth a little askew, the eyes are looking a little bit sideways. And I mean, it is just a disembodied hand holding up a plush against a white wall with a bit of a shadow. So you know, it doesn't like it could just sort of like leap at my face at all time. But what made me gasp is like, the idea of a demonic voice coming out of this plush is so incongruent.
JULIA: Or like just dancing and moving on its own.
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: That's the like, fucking terrifying part of this is that like—
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: —it's—I feel like you know like, we talked about what the scariest versions of all that were in our episode, our previous episode.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: But the fact that this seems like it could move on its own—
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: —is the really fucked up part.
AMANDA: This could easily be ambulatory. It's not like a little stubby legs and it could hardly run like this— this is pretty near human proportions, but like Barbie human proportions where the legs are too long. And this— this bear could grab you and I would be really scared if that were to happen. This looks actually Julia-like— like in Toy Story, like a toy that the neighbor would tear something off of and put something scary on to it and make like a cursed creature. Like there's— there's a high level of potential for fucked upness here.
JULIA: Their just truly is, you know? It's just— now that I have the image in my brain, it makes the story all the more creepier.
AMANDA: Yeah. Rose, well done in following up. Thank you for— for bringing us some more primary sources here. And we're glad that your uncle thought it was cool that your family story was on our podcast.
JULIA: Amazing. And now Rose has a new story for us, Amanda. And we'll see if it lives up to the—the hype of the haunted plush which I very few things can, but here we go, so.
AMANDA: Let's do it.
JULIA: “So one of my best friends we'll call her “K” was hanging out with her then-boyfriend, now ex B and her then-friend, now girlfriend H." Co—teen relationships wildly complicated, love that for them. “Now H is also Wiccan and they were hanging out at K's house" on a very specific date,” September 26, 2020.”
AMANDA: Wow.
JULIA: Wow. Okay.
AMANDA: You know we love a specific date.
JULIA: “K, had her phones ringer all the way up on the edge of the pool table in the center of the room that they were in” which you know it as what I know of teens.
AMANDA: Rare.
JULIA: Rare. You guys have ringers on your phones? What?!
AMANDA: You—you guys never use your phone ringer.
JULIA: Yeah, yeah. “So H had told B about spirit guides. And the group was trying to contact B's spirit guides. Now H is a Seer which she describes as someone who can see spirits” like has the sight or something like that.
AMANDA: Uh-huh.
JULIA: “And a Wiccan, so a lot of precautions were taken to protect themselves against malicious entities,” which is the smart thing to do if you're gonna summon ghosts.
AMANDA: Yeah, all kinds of teens you know, whipped out a Ouija board, do the little three times into the mirror, right? Like light a Black Candle they bought in Salem at a tourist store. But it sounds like you're going into this with eyes open which I—I do appreciate.
JULIA: I do appreciate that. “So immediately H felt a chaotic energy from the get-go when contacting the guides. Then when K went to reach for her phone, it was gone. While looking for the phone, H ran her hand along the edge of the pool table and there was nothing on it.”
AMANDA: Dang.
JULIA: “They then looked all around the house. B even called the phone but they heard nothing. Eventually, H suggested that maybe B's spirit guides had taken K's phone. B called the phone and left a voicemail in a very serious tone saying, “give it back now”. Which again—
AMANDA: Oh, boy.
JULIA: Hey guys, gotta be polite to ghosts.
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: I'm just gonna say, gotta be polite to ghosts.
AMANDA: And I—I would venture even if it's a possibility that a human took the phone, which I—I know is not given how remote this was you know, you can also start with a polite bent. Be like hey, listen, I really need it.
JULIA: “This was weird for B because he is a very laid-back kind of guy who likes to joke about basically everything. So K and H went to K's room to look for the phone their, leaving B by himself in the original room. After about five minutes, B yelled for K and H to come back into the room as he had found it. H asked where it was, it was on the edge of the pool table.” So it was right back where they left it, even though they had looked there a 100 times. I'd bet B probably took it, that would be my like logical like assumption kind of thing, where it's like oh, yeah, you— you took it when no one was looking, and then you put it back when everyone else was— had left the room.
AMANDA: Dang.
JULIA: You know what if a ghost did take a phone, I bet a strongly worded voicemail would probably do it. You know?
AMANDA: I like that. I like that very much. Or maybe you send them a string of cryptic emoji, sort of saying like, Lady ghost arrow, up the hill, over the river emoji, chapel emoji, eggplant. And if it's a horny ghost, maybe it'll go ahead and try to find his love over the— over the hill and over the river.
JULIA: Yeah, over the river and through the woods.
AMANDA: Exactly.
JULIA: To go get some dick.
AMANDA: Exactly.
JULIA: Shit. Fuck.
AMANDA: Sometimes Julia has fully committed to the sentence she's saying, and I see her face begin to judge what she's saying as she says it, and it's a real treat.
JULIA: It comes out and then I'm like shit, who said that, that was me. It did happen. So Rose finishes out with, “anyway that's all for today guys. Thanks for providing amazing entertainment for me sincerely, you're stressed-out-envy friend, Rose.”
AMANDA: Oh, Rose, thank you for—for the follow-up and also for being a—a real sort of champion of the show and spreading it like a haunting.
JULIA: Yes, to your uncle who is almost our age.
AMANDA: Exactly right.
JULIA: Uh-oh.
AMANDA: Now Julia, you've been doing great work all year long with the it's Norse, of course, series.
JULIA: Oh, thank you.
AMANDA: Leaded by, researcher Sally. And I thought I would give you a little bit of the present that you gave to me and the listeners all year long, which is a story about the Norse god Thor, that is also a local urban legend.
JULIA: Ooohhh, tell me more, tell me more.
AMANDA: So this came in way back in November from listener Julie she/her and it's titled The Norse God Thor is a bad wedding guest.
JULIA: That's true, he is.
AMANDA: Julie sent this in before we had started it's Norse, of course. But after my wedding, and so that is kind of the—the theme of this message here. So—
JULIA: I love it.
AMANDA: It begins, “this summer I drove across the mountain”, and then it's a Norse word that translates as Hawk Hill mountain.
JULIA: Very cool.
AMANDA: “To visit family in the Eastern part of Norway. I've driven this road many times before, so I decided to take a route that's a little more scenic, but I don't use as often. It's a little iffy to use during the winter, but I thought in the summer, I'd be totally fine. While driving along I noticed the sign for the area Urdbourdi, (often called Urdbouri) and I remembered a story I was told about this area back when I was a child.”
JULIA: Love that your folks are telling these stories as—
AMANDA: Oh, yeah.
JULIA: —a child like this. Love it!
AMANDA: “Urd-bo-urdi can be translated as “scree-dwelling scree”.
JULIA: Scree!
AMANDA: “It's not immediately obvious in the name, this area is home to a serious collection of rocks, my friends”
JULIA: Scree!
AMANDA: And Julia, do you know what a scree is in like geology?
JULIA: I don't. I'm just yelling the word screen—
AMANDA: Me neither.
JULIA: —because it's very fun.
AMANDA: “So it's a collection of broken rock fragments at the base of a cliff or other steep rocky mask.”
JULIA: Okay.
AMANDA: “That builds up through periodic rock fall.”
JULIA: Okay, sure, sure.
AMANDA: Rocks fall and tumble and then like a essentially gravel pit, you know, area of like big rock and rock swarms.
JULIA: Cool.
AMANDA: “So this scree in Urdbourdi is one of the biggest in Northern Europe. It starts way up in the mountains and extends all the way down to the fjord. The area covered is very large and the road runs straight through it making for very cool scenery. As the scree is so large, it wasn't possible to go around. So when the road was built, they just blew up all the rocks that were in the way. Before that, locals used a rough path through the scree called Thor's road.”
JULIA: Ooohhh.
AMANDA: And so Julie is continuing the trend to multi-media legends here. So, Julia, I'm gonna send you a link to Google Maps,
JULIA: Please.
AMANDA: This will also be in our episode notes for patrons of course.
JULIA: Ah yes. And of course, the horrifying plush will also be there.
AMANDA: Yes. And so Julie says okay, go ahead and open that link, Julia. But turn all the way around. Turn your little person 180, like pan all the way around.
JULIA: Ohh!
AMANDA: That is how big the scree is.
JULIA: It's very tall, I want to hike it.
AMANDA: Exactly. And if you exit out of Street View and turn on the satellite for the map, you'll see the full area of this beautiful like gravels almost like gorge or valley.
JULIA: Ooh, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. There we go. Ooh! Oooh! Wow!
AMANDA: So there is a like nonforested path down which you can see many rocks, huge boulders have tumbled and fallen, and a highway sneaking its way perpendicular straight through the like danger zone of where the rocks have fallen.
JULIA: [sings] Highway to the Thor's zone. Yeah.
AMANDA: Exactly right. It is beautiful and it—it bridges two lakes, may probably it was originally one waterway that's been filled in with rocks. But thank you so much, Julie for the context.
JULIA: It's awesome. I love that, gosh! We need to just name more things after Gods, that would be nice.
AMANDA: Oh yeah. She also include a video of drone footage through the area which is so beautiful.
JULIA: I love drone.
AMANDA: Here—here's the story that Julie heard growing up. So, "a long time ago the area was home to a little village. There were a few farms and even a small church. One day there was a huge wedding celebration on one of the farms. Everyone in the village had been invited and the owl was flowing freely as it always did for weddings. The celebrations (and the ale) caught the attention of the God Thor, and he decided to make the trip down to Midgard to join in on the celebrations.
JULIA: Imagine your party is so good that it attracts the attention of a God and he's just like shows up, and he's like sup my guys, throw me some ale.
AMANDA: Well, this is what happens Julia if that happens. “When Thor arrived he was of course handed an ale bowl full of ale, which he promptly drained. The bowl was filled again and Thor drain did again. This happened several times over until the hosts finally denied Thor any more ale as they were afraid he would drink all of the ale they had for the entire wedding. This, of course, made Thor quite angry.”
JULIA: Uh-oh, uh-oh.
AMANDA: “Thor was pleased with the ale and the farmer, but he was still angry at the hosts of the wedding. To protect the farmer from what he was about to do, Thor took the farmer with him to the top of a nearby mountain. He then threw his hammer from that mountain toward the mountain closest to the village. Throwing with full force, he caused the whole mountain to break apart and come rolling down and a huge rock slide.”
JULIA: Oh my gosh.
AMANDA: “Completely burying the village. Having destroyed the village and feeling quite pleased with himself, Thor then noticed the mountain was not the only thing to break. To his dismay, he saw that he struck with so much force that the head of his hammer flew off and disappeared in the rock pile.”
JULIA: Mjolnir, no!
AMANDA: “Mjolnir was of little use to him with only the handle left, so Thor had to go and search for the head. As he was searching he mindlessly threw away the rocks that were in his way. So when he finally found the head of Mjolnir and got it reassembled, he noticed he made a path where he had been walking in his search”
JULIA: Yes.
AMANDA: “To make sure the farmer he'd saved would have a way of communicating with the outside world, Thor finished the path that he had started. So it was possible to traverse through the scree without having to climb. This is Thor's road.”
JULIA: I love that story. As always, I love a mythological explanation for a natural event.
AMANDA: Yup.
JULIA: Incredible. My problem is, hey Thor that farmer needs land to farm on and you just made it all covered in rocks. What's up, my guy?
AMANDA: Julia, excellent point. "Thor also cleared a new farm for the farmer he saved, and the farm was named Urdbo. As it was a dwelling in the middle of a scree.
JULIA: Scree!
AMANDA: “And so the area on the farm came to be known as "Urdbourdi" the scree surrounding the dwelling in the scree.”
JULIA: Incredible. So good!
AMANDA: And then Julie concludes with, “I hope you enjoyed the story. And since you're all live after Amanda's wedding, you either had enough ale at the wedding to please Thor or he stayed away from your celebration.”
JULIA: Well, Amanda, that's a good thing that you had a—your wedding at a brewery—
AMANDA: Exactly.
JULIA: —because definitely was enough ale to go around even if Thor shown up.
AMANDA: Exactly right. Yeah, he could have just popped shop back in the brewery next to one of the brew tanks and had that good, good.
JULIA: Incredible. I'm gonna look at this drone footage now that you sent. Take me on a drone.
AMANDA: Ah, but especially like Julie said, it really like looking at the satellite view of the area, it—it really looks just like that, like the rocks like came in. And then conveniently, happily, there was a path right through the middle.
JULIA: That is so freakin cool. Uh, I love that.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: Incredible. and I love the lake nearby too. So gorgeous.
AMANDA: Beautiful.
JULIA: Man, I gotta go to Europe more.
AMANDA: Well, Julia, we've been thinking about going to Norway for our honeymoon, more like an anniversary trip. Because we want somewhere cold with a lot of fish so—[18:43]
JULIA: Well, that is all you baby, that's all you. Cold with fish, mmm not my bag, but certainly good for you guys.
AMANDA: Well Julia, this story has gotten me thirsty. So why don't we go ahead to the kitchen and grab a quick refill.
JULIA: Let's do it.
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JULIA: So Amanda, we're back at it. And I gotta ask you, what have you been drinking lately?
AMANDA: I went to a local queer Irish bar recently that just opened. And I am so happy it exists. and I think my new thing Julia is just going to bars on Tuesdays. This is what you do often and what you have taught me about as you know, you go early in the week and a rep was there from Fifth Hammer Brewing Company.
JULIA: Yes.
AMANDA: Which is in Long Island City and distributed all over the Northeast, it is so good. And I try—I try whenever there's like a tasting to try stuff I normally wouldn't order. And so I picked up a can of peach goggles, which is a sour ale with peach and apricot. And it was so incredible, it was juicy, it was balanced. It was tart but not super tart. It was kind of like a peach iced tea lemonade, but not overly sweet, and I highly enjoyed it.
JULIA: That sounds really, really good. Typically when I go on my Tuesday bar trips, I get a spicy pineapple Margarita with mezcal, which is very, very good. But if I'm feeling like I want to do something a little bit on the lighter side on tap, my local bar has been rocking this dewclaw sour me America.
AMANDA: Ooh.
JULIA: Which they call a rocket pop sour ale. So you know the old rocket pops [27;33]
AMANDA: Yeah! [27;34] just had that, our friend then was like, damn, this is actually amazing and tastes just like the thing.
JULIA: It does and it's like, it's great because it's not too sour.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: A lot of times like I lik—I love Blue Point Breweries, I've talked about many times on the show. But they're sours can be really, really sour which—
AMANDA: Like punch you in the face sour, yeah.
JULIA: Which I like on like a really hot day. But if I'm like just chillin', I want something that's like sour, but not too sour. And this one is really perfect for like, just like downing them. And it's also not like crazy strong either. A lot of times when I get the sour, they're like imperial sours and they're 8%.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: This's one a solid 5.5, so like, not bad.
AMANDA: So is the peach sour, which I appreciate because I—you know, I'm—I'm getting up there, I'm 31. I want to you know, I want to have a beer too, and not feel sleepy and like I want to leave.
JULIA: Yeah.
AMANDA: Well, Julia, I know we have our summer drinks in hand, and we did spend some time this past weekend at your beautiful new firepit at your home that you and Jake put together which is so wonderful. So I want you to imagine that we're sitting there now with our beers in hand, fires going it's Twilight out, and it's camp season baby because we have a spooky summer camp round-up from Maeve!
JULIA: Wooo! Let's go camp.
AMANDA: Let's go camp. Alright, so this is from Maeve she/they and the message begins. “Hey, hi, hello Spirits. It's me, your loyal fan and listener. I loved your show for so many years and thought I would send in my summer camp hauntings. There are three tales for you.” A very spooky number.
JULIA: Alright, let's go. Three's a great number.
AMANDA: “The first one I'll share is the one I have fewest details on. I attended a two-week overnight summer camp every year from ages 8 to 16. It's Camp Asto Wamah in Connecticut.” Yay, East Coast.
JULIA: Yay, East Coast.
AMANDA: “Asto Wamah has been around for 114 years at this point.”
JULIA: That's long.
AMANDA: “And as we all know from horror movies, Connecticut, one of the most haunted places.”
JULIA: That is true. The—there's a whole movie that's called The Haunting of Connecticut.
AMANDA: That's true.
JULIA: In Connecticut, I don't remember which.
AMANDA: In [29:27] I think?
JULIA: I don't know, probably.
AMANDA: “The camp sitting at the end of a long forested dirt road along Columbia Lake is split into four units. There's hilltop for little ones, Lakeside for more middle school age, Seniors for the oldest kids, and then the LT cabin for people training to be counselors.
JULIA: Sure.
AMANDA: “The haunting was in Lakeside in Cabin 5. Now I never stayed in Cabin 5, just the way the ages worked out over my years in those cabins. But campers have reported strange happenings every year. Even my older sister who is a firm nonbeliever when it comes to anything spooky or spiritual, said there was a weird energy in the cabin and she regularly heard things.”
JULIA: Okay.
AMANDA: “That includes whispering in their ears, knocking on their bunks when there's no one else there. People tugging on their clothes and then finding out that they're alone.”
JULIA: Uh-oh.
AMANDA: “All in all, a little creepy but harmless.”
JULIA: Alright, so I was gonna try to, you know brush away a couple of these. Knocking on their beds when there's no one around could be an animal, could be something in the walls, you know?
AMANDA: Wind, yeah, anything.
JULIA: Sure. The whispering in the ear, you know, a lot of times you'll be asleep and you think you hear something and then you wake up and then there's nothing there, right? Like that's —
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: That's a common occurrence. Sure.
AMANDA: Or especially in like a seasonal structure, like summer camp cabins are not insulated, like the wall is just, you know, one wall between you and the outside. So there could be wind coming through a crack in the wall, all kinds of things.
JULIA: Yes. And then, ohh the last one's a little hard. Maybe—maybe your sweater or something got snagged on a corner or, I don't know.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: I don't know.
AMANDA: For me, whenever I'm out in nature, it will take my body a little bit of time to sort of acclimate to the feeling of like yeah, there might be a bug on me and it's not the end of the world, and like, I'll get over it. And I'll feel like a phantom feeling of a bug, you know?
JULIA: Yeah.
AMANDA: When there isn't one, But tugging on your clothes is a very distinct feeling. That's—
JULIA: Yes.
AMANDA: — that's not just like a tickle.
JULIA: Yes, that is— that is true.
AMANDA: So that was a story. And you know.
JULIA: That's it, okay. Great.
AMANDA: So that's the Lakeside Cabin.
JULIA: Okay, okay. Interesting.
AMANDA: So Maeve continues. “My next story is a little longer, and it's from a city day camp I attended when I was about 9.”
JULIA: Okay.
AMANDA: “It was held in my elementary school in my hometown of Manchester, Connecticut.”
JULIA: Alright, alright. Keep it in Connecticut, great.
AMANDA: “The school was up on a hill back from a busy road. In the cafeteria, there was a big black door, presumably leading to the basement, it looked like it had been covered in many, many coats of shiny black paint. But there were a few more matte spots that could be seen if you were at the right angle.”
JULIA: I feel like you shouldn't show the children where the basement access is. Like it should be behind a separate door or somewhere where the kids aren't every single day like in the cafeteria. Because I know I would have been tempted to like go explore the basement if I had access to the basement.
AMANDA: We our— our basement of our elementary school, the like boiler room and basement was accessible across from the lost and found which was across from the kitchen. So it was like, there was a cafeteria, the kitchen was attached to it obviously, and then across the hallway was the door to the boiler room. And one time during my 7 years in that school, I saw it propped open as the custodian was like going in and out. And Julia, it was so like that scene from the horror movie with the boiler scene. What is it again?
JULIA: A Nightmare on Elm Street.
AMANDA: There we go, thank you. That I— like I had not seen that movie, but when we did St. Louis together I was like oh yeah, that's the boiler [32:53] yeah, of course.
JULIA: Sure, the boiler room.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: Yeah, yeah.
AMANDA: But at least it's you know, locked, no one else is going there, like you're walking past it to go out to recess, but you're not like around that door every day.
JULIA: Right. That's very like an adult section of the school.
AMANDA: Yes. Exactly.
JULIA: It's like the three things you just listed is not like places they take the children to, you know what I mean?
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: So—
AMANDA: It was not like the gym, right, or anything like that.
JULIA: Yeah, exactly.
AMANDA: So going back to this.
JULIA: Sorry, I just had an image of me eating my peanut butter and jelly sandwich and staring at that door being like, I gotta go in there.
AMANDA: Exa—oh, Julia, this will add to your image, which is—
JULIA: Oh, good.
AMANDA: “It's worth noting that the rest of the cafeteria was light and cheery, covering children's artwork. The door was a hulking shadow in that bright and cheery space.”
JULIA: Yeah, exac—why— at least paint it a nice color, you know?
AMANDA: Yeah, blend it in. A boring beige. No one wants to touch a beige door.
JULIA: Yeah, yeah. It draws no attention to itself.
AMANDA: None. “So kids being kids, rumors about this door ran rampant.”
JULIA: That's what I'm saying.
AMANDA: “The most circulated story was this, years ago when the school was new, there was a curious student. She wondered what the school was like after everyone had gone home.”
JULIA: And her name was Julia Schifini.
AMANDA: Her name was Amanda and she wanted to fantasize that she could sleep at school. “One day she hid in a supply closet and waited quietly for the school to empty out.” Now I probably if I—it were me would have hid on— in a bathroom, you know squatting on the toilet seat in a real Mrs. Paisley Frankweiler situation.
JULIA: I co—I was to sa— about to say, Amanda, that's because you've read that book and you know exactly how to sneak into places as a child.
AMANDA: Yes. Did I ever do it? No. I think about it constantly, yes. “So once she was sure there was no movement or noise, she snuck out of the closet. She explored the empty classrooms, ran through the echoing hallways, and stretched on the floor of the empty gym. Eventually, she made her way to the cafeteria. She walked around tracing her fingers along the walls when she heard a noise. She turned around, only to find that she wasn't as alone as she thought. This is where the stories that I've heard start to differ. Was it a stranger? The custodian? Was she suddenly dismembered? Stabbed? Who knows—”
JULIA: Suddenly dismembered.
AMANDA: —ut it was gruesome. “All the stories have her being dragged through the door in the cafeteria down to the basement with bloody handprints left behind on the wall. And the story goes with the school painted over the blood, but the girl didn't want to be covered up. Her spirit manifested in the blood she left behind, making those stains forever visible, no matter how many coats of paint were used”
JULIA: Hell yeah, dawg. That's metal as fuck.
AMANDA: “But the story doesn't quite end there. Because when I was at camp, there were some girls who thought it would be fun to make jokes about this girl and bring in some extra spirits with everyone's favorite spooky game, Bloody Mary.”
JULIA: Ohh, buddy. Mmm, mmm we talked about this, we just talked about this.
AMANDA: “Now I was in the bathroom and they started turning the lights off to summon Mary. So being an easily scared kid, I scurried the fuck to get out of there. The girls really spooked themselves and were a shrieking giggling mess as they made their way back to the gym. As they were walking back to their units, a light fell from the ceiling missing them by inches.”
JULIA: What?!
AMANDA: “The glass shattered—”
JULIA: And you were there to see it?
AMANDA: —yes, “the glass shattered everywhere.”
JULIA: Oh my god!
AMANDA: “And our best explanation was that the little girl wasn't happy about being mocked, and another spirit being invited into her resting place.”
JULIA: Oh shit.
AMANDA: Big deal.
JULIA: Wow, that's—that's even more metal than it was previously metal. Wow!
AMANDA: Yeah. Also—
JULIA: Wow!
AMANDA: —they don't fuck around with lights in schools, there are covers, that's why the like lights in gyms are caged, so if the ball hits anyone like shatter and you know, like get glass in kids eyes. Good God.
JULIA: Your— your school opened itself up to a lawsuit just then.
AMANDA: Yeah, serious though.
JULIA: Or at least the camp that was running out of that school. Sure. Wow!
AMANDA: Okay, so Maeve's final story is from Interlochen up in Michigan. She writes, “it was my first summer working there in the Intermediate Meadows Division. I was in an—”
JULIA: What does that mean?
AMANDA: I know, I know. —”I was in an unusual cabin with three counselors instead of two. Because of this, we jokingly made our cabin triangle themed and made jokes and references to the Bermuda Triangle, the Illuminati etcetera.”
JULIA: I don't think this is good. I think you're tempting fate here. I don't—I can't explain why, but the fact that you said we made this room that's probably a square or a rectangle, triangle themed, you fucking up somehow.
AMANDA: The most solid shape in architecture, the most dodgy shape in folklore. Okay?
JULIA: We just talked about how 3 a real haunted number.
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: Guess ho—how many sides are the triangle, bitch! It's three, three! We're unhinged this episode, what is happening?
AMANDA: Listen without Eric here.
JULIA: There's no one to really listen, that's the problem.
AMANDA: There's no one to really listen, there's no one to say no. Knowing that his ghost has made it into his throat and is preventing him from being here. What are you gonna do?
JULIA: What are you gonna do?
AMANDA: Well Julia, “the campers loved the triangle theme, they thought it was hilarious.”
JULIA: Come on!
AMANDA: “And they demanded that we do a story night reading them fun facts about the Bermuda Triangle.”
JULIA: Children are so weird. Bless their fucking hearts, children is so weird.
AMANDA: I know.
JULIA: I would also be— to—to be fair, I will be [38:19]
AMANDA: You will be—we will be first in line. Yeah.
JULIA: One of those children would be like telling me facts about the Bermuda Triangle, yes, please.
AMANDA: Be like, I love Amelia Earhart, tell me about her death, please.
JULIA: I think she died in the Pacific, but like still the [38:34]
AMANDA: I know, I know.
JULIA: You know it— what happened and we all know this to be true Amanda. Is Amelia Earhart was flying across the Pacific, flew into a storm, got transported into the Bermuda Triangle, died there.
AMANDA: Yes.
JULIA: We all know it is to be true.
AMANDA: It is known.
JULIA: It is known.
AMANDA: And Julia, Maeve have [38:48] this paragraph by saying, “this isn't super important, but I think it's funny”. And give some good context for how chill my kids were.
JULIA: Cool. Cool.
AMANDA: Great.
JULIA: Love it.
AMANDA: So we have a very full cabin. I'm going to call this triangle, cabin from here on out. Maeve doesn't, but I am going to. Alright, “so we have a very full cabin, a triangle cabin. 3 counselors 19 campers crammed into one cabin.”
JULIA: What?! That's too many.
AMANDA: “Also, odd number of campers is important, because it means we had one empty bed. A top bunk in the back corner of the cabin. This is where a cabin ghost resided.”
JULIA: Naturally. Yes, of course. Because what else would be there?
AMANDA: “I'm surprised that it was a top bunk that was left empty.”
JULIA: Yeah.
AMANDA: Because when I was a kid, that was the more desirable bunk.
JULIA: Yeah, because you're always on ground level and you want to be as a child, very high.
AMANDA: Be like a monkey, you want to be out there.
JULIA: Yeah.
AMANDA: That surprises me.
JULIA: What I would not want in any circumstances to be on the bottom bunk, knowing that the top bunk is empty, and then look up and see something looking down at me.
AMANDA: Exactly. I— that was my other question is like, what kid is sleeping in that bunk? And do they know the ghost sleeps above them?
JULIA: Do they know? Are they okay with that? Have they made peace? Have they made offerings? What's going on?
AMANDA: Let's figure it out. “We didn't start the seven weeks of camp thinking our cabin was haunted. It started slowly. The first instance was something every single person in the cabin experienced, the night sweeping.”
JULIA: Part of that too is I saw your face which is like, I'm about to say something really funny.
AMANDA: Yeah! I just feel bad that Schneider isn't here. I mean, he's gonna listen to it, you know in the edit, but like—
JULIA: Yeah, yeah.
AMANDA: We—we might have to debrief about this on Patreon. Okay, this is a lot. “So every night Julia, someone would be woken up by the sounds of a person sweeping in the main part of the cabin. I was woken up personally by the sound multiple times. Campers would come get me when it woke them up. Or in the morning, people would complain about their sleep being disrupted.”
JULIA: What are you gonna do about it? Why are they waking you up in the middle of the night being like someone's sweeping again, you're like, what the fuck am I gonna do about it? Go to sleep, 11-year-old.
AMANDA: I know. If that was—if that was my childhood, my dad would be like, great, you should get some ideas from that ghost, goodnight.
JULIA: Shit.
AMANDA: “We started to lose our minds a little bit, because our days were long and active and exhausting, and we couldn't get a solid night of sleep.”
JULIA: Yeah, fair. Yeah.
AMANDA: “Next, the counselors each have their own experiences. First, there was Brendan. Now Brendan was one of the heaviest sleepers I've ever encountered. He had to set extra alarms because someone playing trumpet over the division speakers wasn't enough to rouse him from his rest.”
JULIA: Cool.
AMANDA: “And yeah, Brendan was jolted awake one night.”
JULIA: Uh-oh.
AMANDA: “Hearing somebody asking for him repeatedly. He sat up, looked around, and saw absolutely no one else there.” Unusual.
JULIA: Yeah, yeah.
AMANDA: Possible to drink.
JULIA: No, not great.
AMANDA: Right? That's—it's a permeable line between sleeping and dreaming, but let's go to next. The Counselor, Julia.
JULIA: Oh, no!
AMANDA: Julia, now were you here one summer in the Interlochen?
JULIA: I was not. I can't say that I was.
AMANDA: Well camp counselor Julia has one thing in common with you, which is that, “she stayed up one night late reading in her bed.”
JULIA: That's every night for me, baby.
AMANDA: Yep. “She heard a sound looked up from her book to see if a camper was coming in to get her. And what she saw instead was a bright light flashing out from beneath her bed. So bright that she couldn't see anything for a moment because it futz with her vision being so bright after reading in the dark.”
JULIA: Uh-oh. Also, that's bad. Hey, hey, girl, that's bad for your eyes, don't do that.
AMANDA: Bad for your eyes, bad for your eyes.
JULIA: It's bad for your eyes.
AMANDA: “And last me. With my long history of attending summer camps, I was a friendship bracelet-making fiend.”
JULIA: Of course.
AMANDA: “I had a bunch of them that I'd made and others that fellow counselors and some campers had gifted me. But I didn't love the feeling of things on my wrist, so I'd normally just wear one or two and cycle through the ones that I wore, and had to keep them loose to be able to take them off.”
JULIA: Sure.
AMANDA: “The night in question, I was only wearing one. That night, after we'd finished our bunk talk and everyone had gone to sleep.”
JULIA: Our bunk talk.
AMANDA: I don't know what bunk talk is, [42:58] from context clues, but like adorable.
JULIA: It's like pillow talk, but you guys are all in separate bunks and you're just talking and then you're like, alright, good night.
AMANDA: Yeah, there's 10 bunk beds, 19 campers and one ghost.
JULIA: Why do you think we're alive? Do you guys ever think about death? Okay, goodnight!
AMANDA: What's the period, yeah. “I crawled into bed ready to knock the fuck out. It was probably around 10 pm. Around 2:30 am, I woke up from the feeling of my bracelet being pulled up and down my arm. Now remember, I only wore one and I tied it pretty loose. So this wasn't just a breeze like lightly moving it. Nor did I move and multiple bracelets knocked into the one, it was being pulled. I opened my eyes and watched it slowly slide down my wrist, pause for a moment, then move back up.”
JULIA: Absofuckinglutely not. Absolutely not. Abso—no, no, no. Hey, no.
AMANDA: This is the first time that I have felt some—some solidarity with team ignorant, because I too would just be frozen and want more data. And to see what happens, and this is the absolute like worst fucking scenario.
JULIA: I feel like I would be like, Hey, can you fucking stop, please?
AMANDA: Yeah, yeah, this is bad.
JULIA: I would like to go to sleep. It's not even the witching hour, 3 o'clock, can you wait half an hour and let me go back to sleep?
AMANDA: Yeah right. So Julia, again I—I feel like we've— we've really found our people here on Spirits.
JULIA: Yeah.
AMANDA: Because [44:21] Maeve did. So she writes, “me having grown up in a haunted murder house, a story for another time as this emails already long.”
JULIA: Oh, yeah, please.
AMANDA: “I calmly took a breath, close my eyes, and said, hi, I'm sorry, but I really need to sleep right now. Please stop touching my wrist. Stay in here if you'd like, but I need to go back to sleep, goodnight! And it never happen again.”
JULIA: Yep, yep, yep.
AMANDA: Well done.
JULIA: Yep. Great, great. You did it. Proud of you.
AMANDA: “After getting caught by our campers while we compare notes on our experiences, they decided we needed to acknowledge our ghost. We agreed and ended up bringing it to our assistant director. She helped us find extra sheets and we made up our empty bunk. And we agreed to say hello, goodbye, and good night to our ghost.
JULIA: Theater ghost rules. Gotcha.
AMANDA: Yeah. “So our campers being the lovely kids that they are also decided we needed to name our ghosts. Suggestions were being shouted out from everywhere. Carly, Sarah Jane, all the campers love Jane, but then one camper because they were aware that Brendan went by they/them at the time spoke up, and said we don't know that ghosts gender. Jane is too feminine.”
JULIA: Hey!
AMANDA: “How about J?”
JULIA: Hey, fuck yeah, love these kids.
AMANDA: These kids are all right, right?!
JULIA: This kids fucking rock.
AMANDA: Alright—
JULIA: Love this for them.
AMANDA: —I'll—I'll take back the kids being obsessed with triangles, they're fucking weirdos and I love them.
JULIA: Yep, we love a weirdo.
AMANDA: “So J became our 20th camper. And that night, and every night afterward, the night sweeping had stopped.” So apparently, J was just like really into sweeping wanted to keep things nice and making them a nice place to sleep, took care of it.
JULIA: Yeah. I feel like maybe they were like, hey, you know, I don't really feel included. Maybe if I like did some chores, you guys would like feel like I was more—more welcome here.
AMANDA: Yeah! You ar— real childhood Amanda vibes, of like, um, guys, if I help you, will you like include me? Yeah.
JULIA: Amanda, this is a total aside, but last time I was watching a movie, where someone was using a push broom incorrectly.
AMANDA: Oh my god.
JULIA: And I remember the one time you got yelled at.
AMANDA: Yes!
JULIA: For not using a push broom correctly.
AMANDA: Julia, that memory comes to me every time I see someone using a broom, of a push broom specifically where I—I was an assistant stage manager for a stage manager in our theater program. And my first task on my first day and I was so excited was to sweep the stage, which didn't need to happen, but you should for safety. And I started sweeping, and then he looked over at me and then just imagine the most like, snotty like New York theater—
JULIA: Gay. Yeah.
AMANDA: Gay, that you can think of goes, it's called a push broom, not a pull broom. And I was like [46:58]
JULIA: I have flashbacks to that. And I was in the room, but it wasn't directed at me. That's how like fucking traumatizing that one was.
AMANDA: I know. Bullying is real. And Julia and Jake and I eradicated our—our hazing culture in our time at the theater program. But good God.
JULIA: We truly did. I don't feel like we left that much of a legacy, but our legacy was hey, what if we stopped fucking being bullies to the [47:22]
AMANDA: We did, we did, we did that.
JULIA: And we did, we did do that.
AMANDA: Culture change happens, you know, from a grassroots level. And hey, now you know that those big brooms that are really long and wide, and that you see people you know, push in like they're in a musical, you push them and you don't pull them.
JULIA: You push them, you don't pull them.
AMANDA: Listen, both gets the job done, but Jeff, [bleep] come at me.
JULIA: Incredible. I really appreciate J and their whole vibe. I'm glad that there was no moment in that story where someone who was sleeping in the empty bunk looked up and then saw a shadowy figure.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: Looking over them. Shout out to that.
AMANDA: Shout out to that. Shout out to you, Maeve. And we definitely want to know about your scary childhood home.
JULIA:
We absolutely do. Why didn't you send that one already? Hey, hey, do it. Do it.
AMANDA: Well, we'll give you a break. Listen, we're getting to this email hot and fresh, just came in a couple of days ago.
JULIA: Wonderful.
AMANDA: So we'll—'we'll give Maeve some time to write in.
JULIA: Please, please do that.
AMANDA: And hey, if you have any spooky summer camp stories, we got a whole summer stretching out in front of us. I'd love to read some more.
JULIA: I love summer camp stories. So yeah, hit us up with that, especially if you have the triangle cabin.
AMANDA: Oh my god.
JULIA: If that is also a thing that you had.
AMANDA: Right?
JULIA: Pretty good.
AMANDA: Let's do it.
JULIA: Pretty good. So remember, listeners as always, send us in your emails, please. We love to hear them especially now if you have a creepy camp story. I love a camp story.
AMANDA: Spiritspodcast.com and click the contact link and you can send us your email and check the little box that tells us that we're allowed to use the story on the show.
JULIA: And as always, as you obsess over triangles, stay creepy.
AMANDA: Stay cool.
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