Episode 252: Your Urban Legends LV - Messy Chicken Bone Eater
/We’re going on a haunted date through the forest. Because you don’t really know your partner until you see how polite they are to a terrifying German bone man. But bonus points if they’re ghost hunting grandmas.
Content Warning: This episode contains conversations about or mentions of infections, underage drinking, college finals, child abduction, child endangerment, sexual assault, transphobia, grandparent death, heteronormativity, ageism, and bones.
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Transcript
JULIA: Welcome to Spirits Podcast, a boozy dive into mythology, legends, and folklore. Every week we pour a drink and learn about a new story from around the world. I'm Julia, Amanda's upstate leaf peeping on vacation and I'm super happy for her. And this is Episode 252: Your Urban Legends: LV. Yes, LV. And it's the urban legends from spooky month so you know it's going to be good. And it is not the only Urban Legends we release. Every month we get a new urban legends episode just for our patrons on Patreon. So, if you want more Urban Legends episodes, you should sign up for our Patreon. It is super fun. We have a lot of cool content for you. Including recipe cards for every episode and those bonus monthly urban legends episodes. And you can join the ranks of our supporting-producer level patrons like, Uhleeseeuh, Allison, Bryan, Debra, Hannah, Jack Marie, Jane, Jessica Stewart, Kneazlekins, Megan Linger, Megan Moon, Phil Fresh, Captain Jonathan MAL-uh-kye Cosmos, Sarah, Scott, and Zazi. And if you can have a little bit more money to throw towards us each month, if you're feeling generous in especially in these times of the spookiest season, you can become a legend-level patron like, Audra, Clara, Drew, Jaybaybay, Ki, Lexus, Mary, Morgan, Morgan H., Mother of Vikings, Sarah, & Bea Me Up Scotty. You all are so wonderful and we do this show because we have support from people like you. I mentioned before, in case you don't know, it is spooky season now and it has been spooky season in my mind for a while but I've been really getting into it ever since October started. And my husband and I just started and are about halfway through the series on Netflix, Midnight Mass. And oh my God, y'all. This is my recommendation for you this week. Go check it out. We've marathon-ed through four episodes at this point and it is blowing my mind. I love the aesthetic. I love the vibe. It is just, chef's kiss. And speaking of chef's kiss and mysteries and all of that good stuff, have you checked out Meddling Adults yet? It is a whodunit game show for charity that is hosted by our friend Mike Schubert. Every week two guests go head to head in a contest of solving children's mysteries such as classics like, Encyclopedia Brown, or Scooby Doo, which are my favorite episodes of all time. And points are awarded for correct guesses. He gives bonus points for giving absurd accusations. And the winner earns money for a charity of their choosing. So, you can play along with the show to test your own sleuthing prowess. See if you could join the mystery gang and you can outsmart those fictional crooks and crack the cases. So, search for Meddling Adults wherever you listen to podcasts, or visit meddlingadults.com. And I think that's it. Let's get into this episode, and you guys can enjoy the beginnings of October, the spookiest month out of the year. So, please enjoy Episode 252: Your Urban Legends LV.
ERIC: I have a question for both of you.
JULIA: Okay.
AMANDA: Uh-oh.
JULIA: Interesting.
ERIC: Where's the spookiest place I could get lunch from today?
JULIA: Oh.
AMANDA: Oh.
ERIC: What's, what's like, the spookiest type of thing? We've got treehouse provisions.
JULIA: Mmh-hmm.
ERIC: Or
JULIA: Okay.
ERIC: Now, I don't have any spooky name so I'm just saying that as if Dracula was speaking.
JULIA: Yeah.
ERIC: But like, what? Like, we, we know that pasta is the spookiest food. It's the most haunted food.
AMANDA: Of course.
ERIC: We've established that, but like, if I'm just looking for like a somewhat spooky mid-day meal, where should I order from on my non-sponsored app of choice?
JULIA: So, my immediate assumption is go for the most meat-centric meal possible. I'm not a vegan. I'm not vegetarian, but extremely haunted if you are eating the flesh of animals.
ERIC: So, you're suggesting maybe some Ohio City barbecue.
JULIA: Oh, yes, into that.
ERIC: Boo-baque.
AMANDA: I was thinking more along the lines of a haunted location, because even though you're not going to it, if it's being delivered to you, it's coming from there.
ERIC: Right.
AMANDA: And so we have lots of culinary gems in strip malls. So, that's, that's not spooky to me.
ERIC: Mmh-hmm. Yeah.
AMANDA: But my first thought was food court in an abandoned mall. Now, you might say, "Amanda, if the mall is abandoned, by definition there wouldn't be a food court there now would there?" But I think a mall food court period pretty scary, particularly in these times TM. So, that's, that's one idea.
JULIA: I will say Amanda I have been craving, like, mall food court teriyaki chicken that they hand out as samples.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: And oh boy. Was that a ghost telling me to go to a haunted mall and get teriyaki chicken? Maybe. Who can say?
ERIC: Possibly.
AMANDA: But alternatively, I think you should then Eric, choose. If you cannot access a mall food court right now, go for the most predictable chain lunch possible.
ERIC: Mmh.
AMANDA: Because I think the consistency with which fast food chains deliver us the exact same experience all over the country, nay the world, pretty damn spooky. So, I'd say, like, a Subway sandwich?
JULIA: I like that Amanda suggests that consistency is scary.
AMANDA: It is. It's like, "Damn. I have the same Subway sandwich in Seattle as I do in Florida," And wow.
JULIA: The thing that's currently that the closest thing to a chain that I'm seeing on the app is a Papa John's which does has the papadias which is the most haunted food thing that's ever been created I think, because what even is that?
AMANDA: What is that?
JULIA: Yeah, explain it to me.
ERIC: It's like a quesadilla. Oh, it's a quesadilla pizza. Like, I mean, that that is just haunted in general. I mean, the other option is just not a spooky option but just a spirit-centric option, Go Buddha meals because you got kind of like a spiritual presence there with Go Buddha meals.
AMANDA: Can't go wrong with that.
ERIC: Well, I will, I will figure this out as we record and I'll--
JULIA: Fair enough.
ERIC: --be eating sometime after we're done with this episode.
JULIA: Not into the microphone.
ERIC: Not, definitely not into the, not into the microphone. Of course not.
AMANDA: Well, as we kind of like wet your appetite guys, do you want just like maybe the most hauntings per square word of any email we've ever received?
JULIA: Oh, hell yeah. Of course we do.
ERIC: Oh, wow.
AMANDA: Okay, great. This is like, this like an ice bath, you know what I mean? This is like a plunge pool of, of haunting and I felt like it was a good thing to just like, shake us up and get us ready for a new episode. This one is titled Nazi for, Well, anyone really. And it comes from Richard. This is a story from near my hometown of what's known as the most haunted house and the most violent haunting in Europe. It's been the subject of innumerable paranormal investigations, both professional and amateur. As well as the basis for a film in 2012 called When the Lights Went Out. In 1966, an unassuming family moved into their new home at Number 30 East Drive Pontefract, Yorkshire. Just the mention of the address should be enough to put off those in the know from hearing anymore. Within days, strange events started to happen in the house with fine clouds of dust appearing in thin air with no visible source. While trying to clean up these mysterious piles of dust, one family member slipped in a pool of water that had appeared in the kitchen. All efforts to mop up the puddle proved impossible, as more and more puddles would appear. Now. Eric, you're a homeowner, particularly for a tiled kitchen.
ERIC: Yes.
AMANDA: Is mysterious and replicating puddle a problem that you budgeted for?
ERIC: Oh, we didn't budget for it. No, we're not prepared.
JULIA: The issue is though, why are you not finding the source of where the puddle is coming from? This is my concern. Like, you're like, "Oh. We just keep trying to clean up the puddle, but not fix the source of the problem."
AMANDA: Well, Julia, the next line is, "Over the next several years, the family were subjected to a barrage--
JULIA: Several years.
AMANDA: --of poltergeist activity." Yep. And it was centered almost exclusively on the eldest daughter. As an eldest daughter myself, not good. Tops would ooze strange colored foam, even when the water supply was switched off.
JULIA: At this point, you got to call, like, your local government or something because there's something wrong here.
AMANDA: Call the council. Yeah, that, that just screams of, like, pipe problems. Like, doesn't rust bubble? That sounds bad.
JULIA: Yeah. Get a building inspector. Have them come to your home. Have them tell you what's up, and figure something out because several years of this is not okay.
AMANDA: Storage containers in the kitchen would inexplicably be emptied with their contents thrown across the kitchen, lights all around the house would flicker on and off again, even when the main supply was cut off. Plants thrown from their pots, cupboards would shake violently and slam open and close. Family pictures were slashed while secured inside their frames and behind glass.
JULIA: This is bad.
AMANDA: A myriad of objects will be seen to hover and fly across the room, including a heavy oak sideboard. Both the family's daughters reported seeing ghostly figures in their rooms at night, but it was the appearance of a spectral monk in medieval garb appearing to the eldest daughter that presaged the most violent activity.
JULIA: We have another spectral monk. Another one.
AMANDA: And this one is not a teen trying to get some quality time with his gf.
JULIA: No, not this time.
AMANDA: In an effort to regain some normality, the family brought in a local priest to perform an exorcism, this was met with scorn by the resident spirits. During the multiple attempts to clear the house of activity, people were slapped by unseen hands. The wall seeped water and several people were shoved forcibly down the stairs resulting in minor injuries. As the eldest daughter approached adulthood, the activity and violence escalated again with thrown objects hitting family members with greater and greater force. The final straw came when a sizable grandfather clock was thrown from the landing down the stairs. When confronting the poltergeist over this, the eldest daughter had her hair pulled violently and was dragged by the hair to the top of the stairs. The family fled the home and it was sold not long after.
JULIA: Is this The Conjuring? This feels like The Conjuring.
AMANDA: It does feel like The Conjuring.
JULIA: Mmh.
AMANDA: Subsequent owners have sold the property in very short order, none staying very long until it came into the hands of the current owners. Because at present, the house lies empty and the doors padlocked at all times. Many paranormal investigators have visited the house over the years to make contact with the poltergeist, and all reported similar activity. Investigators have been pelted with objects, doors slammed open and closed, and even a kitchen knife ended up embedded in the sofa at one point.
JULIA: Cool.
AMANDA: One recent investigation caught an apparition in the downstairs hallway when the entire small crew were upstairs and accounted for on camera. To this day, 30 East Drive remains active and shows no sign of slowing down. I just wish I'd known all of this before buying a house literally down the road.
JULIA: Okay, well, at least it's not your house.
AMANDA: Yeah. I mean, I would think that your house has a below average chance of being haunted because it seems like if a poltergeist were to, like, show up in, in the neighborhood, I mean, you gotta go where the party is at, right?
JULIA: Yeah, but unless it, like, takes time for the other spirits who are, like, vortexing around this poltergeist to show up. So, you might get, like, residual hauntings, like, on their way there.
AMANDA: It's sure possible, or if there's a real kind of like Keeping up with the Joneses situation. Other poltergeists could kind of like, take over other houses and be like, "Hey, I got to get 32 East Drive on the map."
JULIA: Mmh. Mmh. Mmh. Expand the franchise.
ERIC: So, I mean, if we're presuming that my house is haunted.
JULIA: We are.
AMANDA: It is.
ERIC: We're that, we're presuming that the house that's immediately next to mine are the most likely to also be haunted, and like, as, as it radiates out.
JULIA: Yeah, I think there is maybe the opportunity for residual spreading of the haunting.
ERIC: Mmh. Okay.
AMANDA: Yeah, a real Halloween Town situation. Where like, all you need is one person with a pumpkin head to bring everybody else who needs a safe place to stay, you know, into the same zone.
ERIC: Right. Of course.
JULIA: Or it's literally the poltergeist, which is about a, you know, house development that was built over a cemetery and bad things happened there.
ERIC: Don't think that's what happened here.
JULIA: Well, it shouldn't only happen to that one house. It should happen to all of the houses.
ERIC: Well, I haven't seen anything haunted in any of the other nearby houses So, as of right now, I guess it's just, it's fully contained in, in here.
JULIA: They're probably just, like, not telling you about it because they don't want to drive down the, the property values of the neighborhood.
ERIC: Right. Of course. Of course. Yeah. In the, in this housing market, ain't nothing driving down those prices.
JULIA: That's true. That's true, but still.
AMANDA: Well, that was my little amuse-bouches for us.
JULIA: I love it. I have an email from Wyvis and she writes, My Boyfriend Almost Became a Victim of the Aswang.
AMANDA: Ooh.
ERIC: Oh, boy. Loving that almost
JULIA: She writes, "Hey, Amanda, Eric, and Julia. It's me again, Wyvis. I was so pumped when you read my last email and decided hey, why not send another one. Following the theme of my previous email, this is another story about college kids just making bad decisions, but this time, completely sober with alcohol only as a surprise tool that helps later on. This is very funny. This also talks about what we call the [9:47] or the infection that transforms a human into an Aswang, so.
AMANDA: Ooh, deeper Aswang lore than ever before.
JULIA: I know. I love a good Aswang lore. If I'm remembering correctly, this was the person who sent us the email about the drunk kids in the, like, cabin or shack.
AMANDA: The rental house. Yeah, yeah.
JULIA: Where something tried to break in.
AMANDA: Oh, yeah.
JULIA: Oh, boy. Here we go, "To provide a little background, I lived in a small city when I was in college and this city was located in a region of the Philippines that is known for being a hotspot for Aswangs. I had heard various stories about people turning into monsters through the process of [10:23], but never really thought it could happen, especially when you live in a bustling city. This happens nearing the end of our junior year after the sanctuary incident as you may recall. And for our final project, we were tasked to design and produce an original statement furniture piece." That sounds very cool. I don't know what you majored in, but making furniture as your final project, extremely cool.
AMANDA: That sounds like a BBC show that I would watch on HBO max.
JULIA: Yeah, absolutely. "I grouped with my friend from the sanctuary story and my now boyfriend to create this piece and that was our first bad decision. Why? Because we were a bunch of cheapskates and decided to design a large woven daybed and weave it ourselves to cut costs." That makes sense, I get that. "We gathered at my house's carport along with the bed's metal frame and hundreds of meters of rope and started weaving. We weaved until nightfall, just talking and listening to music to keep us entertained, then it happened. My boyfriend out of nowhere asked, 'Is it raining?' I stuck my hand out onto the part to where he was sitting that wasn't covered by the roof and felt nothing. I thought it was weird that he asked since the weather was really good that day, and there was no sign of rain at all. 'No, I don't think so.' I said, still waiting for a raindrop to land on my palm. 'I swear it's raining. I felt a drop on my shoulder just now,' he said clearly creeped out. That's when I saw the small wet stain on his gray shirt and I tilted my head slightly upward and saw a long trickle of what seemed like saliva coming from the roof above us"
AMANDA: What?
JULIA: "Knowing about the concept of the [12:00], I then calmly told both of my friends not to look up or to tilt their head sideways, and asked both of them to move the frame near our door while I dragged the yards of rope that we had laid out as fast as I could. Right after we did this, the tree in our front yard and the tree behind the house started shaking alternately as if something was jumping from tree to tree."
AMANDA: What the fuck?
JULIA: "At the same time, the water pump on the empty house next door started pumping on its own. Though we couldn't see it, who would be pumping water at 2am in an empty house? This naturally scared the living shit out of us, so we abandoned our project and ran inside." A smart move. Thank you for that. Thank you.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: Everytime you guys make a smart move, I'm here for it.
AMANDA: I also, I'm just kind of picturing the, like, intensity with what you'd have to make eye contact with your friend and be like, "Don't tilt your head up." Like, that is so hard not to do.
JULIA: You're like, "Don't look up."
AMANDA: Come this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
JULIA: Take the thing, we're gonna leave. "We told our group of friends about it the next day and one told us to bring a bottle of dark liquor with us so it would leave us alone. We did as they said that night and when the clock struck three, there was a sudden gust of hair raising wind and the tree began to move as if something heavy landed on it. We immediately took the cheap bottle of brandy out of the bag and placed it in front of us like a not-so-subtle-ad-placement. And after a few minutes, we saw the tree physically go back to its original shape like whatever was on it had left. After that, nothing scary came to bother us while we were making our furniture piece anymore. Now, the word [13:31] actually means an infection of some sort and from what I've learned through the stories of friends and old folks, this infection turns you into a, Aswang through their saliva entering your mouth or ear cavity." Ooh, it's so gross. "After being infected you become severely ill and slowly lose your taste for regular food and become hungry for flesh and blood transforming you into the kind of Aswang that infected you. In other stories, the Aswang can actually pass this to a victim so they become a normal human being instead. Though I'm not really sure where my friends got the advice of using dark liquor as a substitute for holy water but hey it worked."
AMANDA: Can't hurt.
JULIA: Can't hurt. Can't hurt. Maybe it was a, you know, they drink it and now they're not concerned with eating you anymore or transforming you.
AMANDA: Mmh-hmm.
JULIA: We're all alive and as well as we can be in these times, and we're interior designers now so this event as traumatic as it was, it's just a story for us to scare our future kids with. Thanks for taking the time to read this, hope you guys are safe and well.
ERIC: Julia, are you an Aswang?
JULIA: Who can say?
ERIC: You dislike dark liquors?
JULIA: That's true. I think the dark liquor is more of an offering.
ERIC: Oh, an offering okay. It seemed like it was like a, like a deterrent. I was, I was taking it but I see so, so maybe I'm the Aswang then.
JULIA: Perhaps. I think--
ERIC: To think it's an offering.
JULIA: In my mind, if it was more of a deterrent, I feel like they would have, like, poured it out in, like, a circle, like a salt circle. Or like spritz things with it like you would with holy water.
AMANDA: Julia does love meat though.
JULIA: I do.
ERIC: That's true. Is mead liquor?
JULIA: No.
ERIC: Or is mead, like, a third thing?
JULIA: So, mead is a honey wine. I think Amanda said meat though, but I do love both of those things.
ERIC: Oh.
AMANDA: I did say meat.
JULIA: Meat.
ERIC: Meat.
AMANDA: Mostly, I am concerned for the lovely interior designers in this email and would prefer for them to, maybe fix their sleep schedule. I certainly understand the pressure of being a college kid and needing to get stuff done, you know, before a deadline. But you know, things are happening here in these sort of witching hours, not of Eric's dogs, but of, you know, general kind of supernatural fuckery.
JULIA: Mmh-hmm. Mmh-hmm.
ERIC: Yeah. Well, I've got a few tales from Lore. And one of them, which I'll be reading after our refill, is about a haunted restaurant, which is why I was a little hungry at the start of this episode.
JULIA: Ah, there we go.
AMANDA: I like it.
JULIA: That explains it.
ERIC: They write, "Hello. First off, I love this podcast and you all. I recently restarted the podcast because I found it in late 2019 and well, we all know how 2020 went. I want to share with you some stories I have as I go back through the episodes. I just finished Urban Legends: 11, where you asked listeners to send in haunted restaurant stories, especially if they happen in ice cream shops.
JULIA: That's so long ago.
ERIC: Like, such a, such a long time ago.
JULIA: This is 45, that was so long ago.
ERIC: This, no. This is 55.
JULIA: Is it 55?
ERIC: It's 55.
JULIA: Oh, yes. It is, this is 55
ERIC: Yes. So, this is almost 50 episodes ago. They were listening to 50 urban legend episodes ago. I currently work in an ice cream shop and have two other stories that coincide with other episodes. A little bit of background, I grew up in Lost City, which already very spooky.
JULIA: Cool name.
ERIC: It's just called Lost City, which is 15 miles west of Tahlequah, Oklahoma, the capital of the Cherokee Nation. There is a generally creepy vibe to the little old town, if it can even be called that, it's extremely tiny. Many ghost stories are told regularly and growing up with that and my family being Cherokee, my sense of spirituality is pretty open. I also consider myself an empath of both human and ghostly emotions so much so that my fiance refuses to look at new apartments or anything by himself. Story number one deer lady. Like the, like the animal, the deer. I cannot say that this is 100% the way the Cherokee people tell this, but it is the way that it was explained to me by my grandmother. The deer lady is a sort of Boogeyman to unfaithful men but also to disobedient children, and she appeared to me when I was young. Where I live, kids often roam the woods near 14 Mile Creek where we were expected to be backed by nightfall. I was maybe seven years old and I went off to an area near the creek I wasn't supposed to be in, and this part was unusually deep.
JULIA: Mmh. No, no.
AMANDA: I love that it never occurred to me as a kid that, like, there's probably a reason my parents made a rule about this. I'd be like, "It's so bullshit. I want to go, you know, here after dark. I want to play manhunt with the kids." But yeah, there's probably a reason that they--.
ERIC: Manhunt. Oh, man.
JULIA: Flashback.
ERIC: game of manhunt so bad.
JULIA: Next time we hang out guys let's play game of manhunt.
AMANDA: I never did. I was never allowed. I've never done it.
JULIA: Oh, Amanda. No.
AMANDA: Yeah, I know.
JULIA: It's just hide and seek in the dark.
ERIC: Yeah.
AMANDA: Oh, that, that really demystifies it a lot but.
JULIA: Yeah.
ERIC: There's also ghost in the graveyard.
AMANDA: Oh.
JULIA: I don't know that one.
ERIC: I don't remember the exact rules. One person hides and you're looking for them and they're the ghosts in the graveyard, but then it becomes, like, a game of tag at some point. Like, once one person finds the ghost, the ghost can, like, come out of hiding and start tagging people. And then I think the last person that isn't tagged wins because all the other people become ghosts.
AMANDA: Nice.
JULIA: The final girl? Got it.
AMANDA: Yeah, yeah.
ERIC: It's basically, it's yeah. It's, it's basically that or like zombie mode in Halo or anything like that. Yeah.
AMANDA: Right on.
JULIA: Interesting.
ERIC: I wanted to play in the creek, but while I could swim, I wasn't the best at it. As I was about to go into the creek, I heard a crack of twigs. I turned around and saw one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. As per the rules of stranger danger, I started to run away back home because I didn't know this person while I slept on some mossy rocks and into the creek.
JULIA: That's not good. This is bad.
ERIC: Well, they lived. Don't you worry.
JULIA: I feel that since they sent us an email.
ERIC: I said that more aggressively than I wanted to.
JULIA: It's like, "Wow, Eric. Okay, yeah. No, I'm just saying, like, I understand the concept of stranger danger, despite the fact that, like, statistically, children are more likely to get kidnapped by members of their immediate family. I understand the concept of stranger danger. I don't think my immediate assumption would be, there's a person in these woods with me. I have to run away. I'll just be like, "Don't talk to that person. Just stay away from them, but you don't have to, like, sprint and fall into the river."
ERIC: I don't know. Someone in the woods? Someone in the woods, I'm running.
JULIA: Apparently, she's beautiful.
AMANDA: This is a seven year old.
ERIC: Yeah.
AMANDA: So, I do give the seven year-old credit for not being like, "Hey, you're my new best friend."
ERIC: Yeah. I guess, I guess there was a middle ground where Julia is picking the middle ground between, between Lore’s decision and what, what Julia would do.
JULIA: Mmh-hmm. Mmh-hmm.
ERIC: I don't remember much, but I remember being tugged out of the water by a deer. The woman had disappeared. That deer then walked with me all the way home.
JULIA: What?
ERIC: My mom saw this deer on the edge of our clearing and after the asswhooping of the century by both my mother and grandmother, my grandmother told me that it must have been the deer lady that brought me home.
AMANDA: Damn.
JULIA: Imagine, imagine, imagine.
ERIC: Imagine.
JULIA: Imagine your child comes home soaking wet.
ERIC: Yep.
JULIA: With a deer next to them.
ERIC: Yep.
JULIA: Just, just walking, walking alongside. Imagine being a child and falling into a creek, and then you're pulled out of that creek by that deer. And then, the deer doesn't run away. It just kind of escorts you home.
ERIC: Yeah.
AMANDA: I mean, I would think I was the chosen child of the forest for the rest of my life.
JULIA: Absolutely.
ERIC: Yeah.
JULIA: All of my childhood fantasies would be coming true in that moment.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: And clearly I am the chosen one now.
ERIC: Well, before we do any more stories from Lore, I think we should get a refill to get ready for that haunted restaurant store we've got coming up.
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AMANDA: So good.
ERIC: I had a beer from Sibling Revelry. Recently, they have a new peach beer that is just quite, quite nice and refreshing. And I've had it out on the patio a few times with some friends and it's quite, quite good.
JULIA: I love that name. That's a great brewery name.
ERIC: Sibling Revelry.
AMANDA: I would have trouble saying it every time but it's, it's very fun. And I went over to Greenpoint Beer and Ale Co. which is one of our more local breweries. We're spoiled for choice here, and they have an Oktoberfest beer. It is finally that time of year, where apples are at the farmers market and Oktoberfest is on the taps. And I was very happy they served it in, like, a taller glass than normal. So, I really got to channel those vibes while I was, you know, sitting on the, on the roof under an umbrella in very warm still weather and, like, willing fall to come, you know?
JULIA: We probably got another month until fall comes. At this point, it'll probably be Fall when this episode comes out. So, like fall vibes.
AMANDA: I'm trying my best over here.
JULIA: Can't wait for some more fall stuff. Very excited. But let's fall back into the story from Lore.
AMANDA: As long as we don't fall into the creek.
ERIC: Yeah, don't fall in the creek, fall into a good book. And your local library is small.
JULIA: Wow.
AMANDA: You say that like I wouldn't buy a poster with that phrase if I thought.
JULIA: That should be our next merch item. It's like the classic library, full size posters of us cracking open a book. It's Spirits here.
AMANDA: I love that though, you know, first we got to sell posters we do have. So, guys spiritspodcast.com/merch.
JULIA: Get those haunted National Park posters. They're my favorite thing in the world.
ERIC: Very good. Very good. This is a story about haunted restaurant from Lore. Here we go.
JULIA: Heck yeah.
ERIC: This story is what made me want to start writing into the podcast. You had asked for spooky stories, and I have some. I've only had two jobs where I thought they were haunted. One of them was an old Dollar General, and the most recent one is where I work now at Baskin-Robbins.
AMANDA: There you go.
JULIA: Cue change. Yep.
AMANDA: Change. Consistency. What am I telling you?
ERIC: I don't think I'm going to get lunch from Baskin-Robbins. That's not the healthiest lunch. Just two scoops of ice cream. When I first started, there were only six employees and they were all girls. Very common at ice cream shops. What's up with that? I feel like ice shops are almost entirely staffed by girls between the ages of 14 and 17.
JULIA: I feel like it's a good first job for people to have and also--
ERIC: Yeah.
JULIA: --like, I don't, I don't know.
ERIC: Boys are out there cutting grass and girls are out there scooping ice cream.
JULIA: Yeah, they're in the air conditioning during the summer because they're smart.
AMANDA: The two genders, grass cutter, and ice cream scooper.
ERIC: The girls before me had named this ghost Fred Jr. or just Jr. because a creepy guy named Fred always goes into the restaurant next and harasses the waitstaff there.
JULIA: Oh, good. Oh, good. That's the energy we want to bring for that ghost.
ERIC: My first shifts were night shifts, and I never picked up any weird energy so I thought I was going through the new employee hazing. It wasn't until I had my first opening shift that I realized these ghostly situations were only happening in the morning, and was often gone by 11am. This is an important time and one I tend to find hilarious.
JULIA: Interesting. Normally, we get hauntings and it's like 3am is when the ghosts come out.
ERIC: Yeah.
JULIA: The witching hour etc. You don't really get ghosts during rush hour.
AMANDA: I'm here for it though
ERIC: Early to death, early to rise makes the ghosts dead healthy. Yeah.
JULIA: Cool.
ERIC: On my first open, I was in the freezer getting the last tubs of ice cream. I needed to restock our display cases when the back of my thigh was touched. Yes, in this creepy, nonconsensual, almost my ass kind of way. I dropped those tubs and left them in the freezer until someone else showed up at noon. Every day for three months straight, something would happen on the morning shift. If it was in the office, I could hear toilet paper rolls turn in the men's room.
AMANDA: What?
ERIC: Yeah, quite loud. And the bathroom doors can be heard opening and closing despite no one but me being in the store.
JULIA: Hey. Hey, Fred. Fred, you're dead. You don't have to pee anymore. You don't have to.
ERIC: You don't have to.
JULIA: You're making a choice here at this point.
ERIC: Something once pulled my mop hose out of the mop sink and flooded the back room. Sometimes I would hear my dead name being called from another part of the store.
AMANDA: What.
JULIA: Rude. Rude gost.
AMANDA: Rude.
JULIA: Rude.
ERIC: Just a very, very intense ghost. It was always something going on and would always stop at 11am on the dot. Weird energy, just vanishing. Then one day, one of the guys who work next door came over to borrow a mop because they had a spill and their mop broke. That's, that's just, we have one mop and it's broken.
AMANDA: I mean, that's a great way to get out of mopping duty though.
JULIA: Yeah.
ERIC: It is. It is.
JULIA: Oh, no, the mop. It's broken in half. Definitely not by my knee.
AMANDA: As a kid, I definitely tried to get out of vacuuming by saying, "I don't know how," and my parents just laughed in my face.
ERIC: A classic I-don't-know-how. I don't know how to do this. Well, then we'll teach you.
AMANDA: Yeah, figure it out. Figure it out, kid back and forth.
ERIC: We started talking and got to the subject of the weird stuff, and he mentioned that they always had spooky stuff going on. It was then that I made the hilarious connection. Their restaurant opened at 11am. Best part, the restaurant is a pizzeria. Ghosts do love their Italian foods true.
JULIA: It's true.
AMANDA: So true.
JULIA: It's true. So, I love that he's just, like, bothering the Baskin-Robbins employees until the restaurant next door opens.
ERIC: Yeah. Like, the ghost just goes over there and has to haunt the pizza now.
JULIA: Yeah.
ERIC: So, those are our two stories from Lore. What, what do you, what do you guys have to, to round out the episode?
JULIA: I have a quick short one about old lady ghost hunters. Would you like to hear about that?
AMANDA: You know I would.
ERIC: Now, I do. But I want, I guess we'll find out in the story. Are these old lady ghost hunters or old lady ghost hunters?
JULIA: They're old lady ghost hunters.
AMANDA: Yeah.
ERIC: Great.
JULIA: So, this is from Will and he writes, "This isn't a story about me, but I thought it still needed to be shared with you wonderful people. I heard it from one of my neighbors and it still gives me chills whenever I think about it. I hope you get just as spooked as I did. So, my neighbor has a really weird mom with some really weird friends. They're all around 60 or so, and one of their favorite things to do is go ghost hunting.
AMANDA: Yes.
ERIC: Yes.
JULIA: This is me in a good. Oh, no. I have to do math about my own age. A good, like, 30 something years.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: To get the picture right in your head, just imagine a group of five to six old grandmas wandering around a graveyard or abandoned building in search of the supernatural. Who knows? Maybe they just all have a death wish. Also, 60 or so, not grandma age. My parents are getting to around 60 and they're not, like, grandma age yet in my opinion.
ERIC: I mean, my, my parents are both in their early 60s and are grandparents.
JULIA: Okay, that's fair. But I'm picturing, like, my grandparents age as an adult so-
ERIC: Oh, gotcha, gotcha.
JULIA: -like 75 - 85 range.
ERIC: You can become a grandparent quite young in life.
JULIA: That's true. That's true. That's why my grandparents are still alive because they became parents and then grandparents at very young ages. Anyway, from what I've heard, this book club gone supernatural is actually surprisingly good at finding what they're looking for, especially ghosts. One time, after wandering around in a graveyard at about twilight for a good hour, they decided it was a good idea to call to the ghost and see if there was anything there. So, setting up a few candles for atmosphere, and as all good ghost hunters do, making sure they were recording everything. They set a pencil on top of a picnic table and called. "If anyone is there, move this pencil to show us you're here."
AMANDA: I love this guys. I love every moment of this. I need a mini-series about this. I'm just, I'm living.
JULIA: I'm all about this. Can we write this I want this--
AMANDA: Yeah. Oh, I love it.
JULIA: As they all watched, the pencil slowly rolled off the table and fell to the ground. Not actually having expected anything to happen, they stared at the pencil for a second, no one making a move to pick it up. That's when one of the old lady said, "Oh, that was probably just the wind." which broke the tension. Good, old ladies denying the possibility of the supernatural despite the fact that you're ghost hunters and going to a graveyard at twilight to ask if the Spirits are there.
AMANDA: I mean, it's one thing to say, "Hey guys, why don't we went to a great [36:29] twilight?" Quite another to see some, you know, evidence of things that you perhaps did not fully expect to see.
JULIA: Sure. Sure. After laughing it off, they cleaned up their things and went back to the car where they pulled out the recording of what had happened to watch it again. I would like to point out at this point that they're still sitting in the middle of a graveyard right after the sun has set, in their car though at least. They were all still laughing and in a good mood until it got to the part where one of the grandmas suggested it was just the wind. Amissed all the laughing clear as day they heard a voice saying, "They think it was the wind."
ERIC: No. Incorrect. That's not what happened next, because that's too much.
JULIA: The car immediately falls completely silent and my neighbor's mom starts the car and drives out of the graveyard as fast as possible. While I haven't heard the tape myself, my neighbor has told me she's heard it, and I haven't known her to lie yet. All I can say is I kind of wish my mom was a crazy ghost hunter too. Stay creepy. Stay cool, Will.
AMANDA: I love these women. I love their energy. I love their spirit. I want to be them. No notes.
JULIA: I want to know how this group of women kind of came together like--
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: --did it start as a book club and they read some, like, spooky ghost story or supernatural book and they're all like, "But what if we did this?"
AMANDA: Oh, yeah no. Who was the first one to be like, "No, but ladies, like, what, what if? What if though?"
JULIA: Who organized the first trip?
AMANDA: Yeah.
ERIC: I feel like one of them was trying to solve a crime first. I feel like old ladies love solving a crime.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: They've learned anything from [38:04]. Yeah.
ERIC: Yeah. So, like, I don't know. Maybe, it may be one of, one of their relatives had been murdered or something like that. Or they were just, like, too nosy in, in the local goings and were like, "We're gonna figure it out." And then it kind of just they, they weren't able to solve it, or maybe the ghosts did it and they're still on the case. Who knows?
JULIA: It's possible.
AMANDA: Incredible.
JULIA: Who can say?
AMANDA: Oh, I feel so, I feel so energized by the fact of this.
JULIA: I love these women so much. I want to be them.
AMANDA: It should go without saying, but if anyone else's parent or grandparent is in a senior ghost hunting association, we would love to hear about it.
JULIA: I need to know about it immediately.
AMANDA: Well guys, I just wanted to stick on the same track and give you another fun kind of German spirit. This time to do with the forest, that was a little bit of a tie in from our, our earlier myths. This one comes from Dominic or Dom, they/them. And it's titled My Neolithic Ghost/Forest Guard.
JULIA: Okay.
ERIC: I will be assuming the story is from Dominic Toretto, of the Fast and the Furious series.
JULIA: I love that non-binary Dominic Toretto.
ERIC: Yep,
AMANDA: This is a local legend in the small village that a big part of my family lives in. The bone man or in German, the knochenmann.
JULIA: Ooh. So, I'm getting real big flashbacks back to Raw Hide.
AMANDA: Exactly.
JULIA: What was the original one?
ERIC: I don't know. I immediately thought of Smokey bones, which is, which is the bad restaurant outside of the hotel we stayed at for your wedding.
JULIA: Bloody bones. Bloody bones.
ERIC: Bloody bones. Bloody bones, not Smokey bones.
JULIA: Not the restaurant.
AMANDA: I love a bone pun in a myth. I can't, we can't resist.
ERIC: Julia, one day you should take a ride over to that Smokey bones. It's, it's in your neck of the woods because you weren't able to experience it during your wedding weekend.
JULIA: You know, to be quite honest, Jake and I were driving out east to visit his cousin the other day, and we were on the major road that passed the hotel that we stayed at for my wedding. And I was like, "Oh, that's the hotel we stayed at," and Jake's like, "How do you know that? Like, we're just on the middle of a highway." I was like, "Because they had a sign for smokey bones." And he's like, "They had a sign for what?" I was like, "I don't know how to tell you that Smokey bones is the thing that all of my friends remember from my wedding."
ERIC: We remember a lot of other things but smokey bones is the easiest way to say and laugh about.
AMANDA: It's true. It's true.
ERIC: I will say Smokey bones is the most hetero-normative restaurant in existence.
JULIA: Yeah.
ERIC: And that does, that does beat out Hooters.
JULIA: That's impressive.
ERIC: Because, because plenty of women could appreciate Hooters.
AMANDA: And do.
ERIC: But there is something extremely male about Smokey bones.
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: Real masc.
ERIC: Yeah.
JULIA: Something about it, real masc.
AMANDA: Well, the back, back, back to the knochenmann guys.
ERIC: Yeah, yeah.
JULIA: Sorry, Amanda.
AMANDA: So, the knochenmann is said to roam the local forests and is often seen on old hiking tracks on full moon nights, with a small bag, sometimes full, sometimes empty, but always making a rattling sound.
JULIA: How is it making a rattling sound if it's empty? Explain it to me. Magic?
AMANDA: He is covered in animal bone, and the only non-bone thing he wears is a deer skin on his shoulders.
JULIA: I'm sorry, you have to say it again because Eric started laughing.
AMANDA: For those in the back, he is covered in animal bone, and the only non-bone thing he wears is a deer skin on his shoulders.
JULIA: Gotcha. Cool, cool, cool.
ERIC: Oh, boy.
AMANDA: If you're near him, you can hear the bone outfit rattling, and when you do hear him you have to say, "Bone man, bone man, please go ahead of us. We won't cross your way." If you don't, he makes you get lost in the woods, but only so much that you have to spend the night in the forest. In the morning, you always find your way back home.
ERIC: That's pretty lost. That's a pretty significant amount of lost. Like, you have to spend the night in the woods is I would not say only a little lost.
JULIA: Yeah, there's still the opportunity to die of exposure in the middle of-
AMANDA: Yeah.
JULIA: -the night. If you have to spend the night in the woods and you're unprepared. Also, that is the most German bullshit ever, where it's like, he makes you get lost in the woods. And like, yeah, of course he does. Of course he does. What else?
AMANDA: My great uncle once told me the story of the bone man while I was visiting him in the village. The bone man is a shaman of an old tribe of people that lived in the place where the village is now. He was respected among other members of the tribe. Could read the will of the gods and brought the tribe prosperity and fortune. After he got old, the tribe thought he couldn't do his job properly anymore. So, they chased him out of the village into the forest in the deep night of the new moon.
JULIA: Some shitty ages of them right there.
AMANDA: I know. Bullshit, bullshit. It was so dark, he got lost and died, but because the god of the forest liked him so much, his soul was given a second life as the being we now know as the bone man. He punishes those who disrespect the forest and its inhabitants, including him, with bad fortune which is the reason why you have to make way for him. A hunter that only hunted out of fun and left the killed animals in the forest for example got bitten by a fox and broke both his arms the next time he walked in.
JULIA: Uh-oh.
ERIC: Wow.
AMANDA: Now, to my experience with him. I was on my way from the village one of my aunts lives in, back to my great uncle's village through the forest. It got late and I got lost, and like the complete genius I maybe sometimes still am, I have forgotten my phone and had only a lighter as a source of light.
JULIA: Oh, boy.
AMANDA: This has given me such vibes of the Netflix series Dark, which guys is so fucked up that I could not make it through more than one episode. My sister loves it and I tried so hard and I was like, "Girl, this is a hard no for me. Hard no."
JULIA: Is that show also German?
AMANDA: It is German.
ERIC: It's very German. It's one of the, I think it might be the, one of the best shows on Netflix. It's definitely one of the best shows on Netflix. It might be the best show on Netflix if you're into, like, spooky time travel, spooky stuff.
JULIA: Okay.
AMANDA: It's like Nordic noir plus Lost or something.
JULIA: Sure.
AMANDA: Like, it's very-
ERIC: Yeah, yeah.
AMANDA: -It's a lot of intersections.
ERIC: Also, the casting is unbelievable because they go through different time periods and they cast different people at each time period and they all look exactly like older or younger versions of those people.
AMANDA: Yes. No doubt a quality show, but my texting my sister as I watched the first episode was just like, "What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck?" And she was just laughing at me.
ERIC: It's a lot.
AMANDA: And I. Yeah, I, I couldn't do it. All right, but here we are. I tried walking in the direction I thought my great uncle's house was. Suddenly, I heard the rattling of bones behind me. So, I said, "Bone man, bone man. Please go ahead of me. I won't cross your way." The rattling moved from behind me to the left but still a bit behind me and I heard a rusty deep voice silently ask, "Path?" My gut told me not to turn around so I just answered, "Yes. I lost my path but I should find it again. Please go ahead, I won't cross your way," as friendly and clearly as I could without shitting my pants.
JULIA: Mmh. Mmh.
AMANDA: He rattled around me just out of the little bit of my surroundings, my lighter illuminated. So, I'm, I think like just outside of the, of the place that they could see.
JULIA: Yes. If it was D&D, there would be, like, five foot dim lights or something.
AMANDA: Exactly. After a minute or so, I couldn't hear him anymore and slowly walked in the direction I was facing which was also the direction he had gone in. After a few minutes, I almost stepped on something that I thought was a stick but then realized we're bones formed in the shape of an arrow.
JULIA: Good.
ERIC: Oh, like a nice, like, like a nice wayfinding helper.
AMANDA: Uh-huh. Even though I was afraid, I had a feeling that I should follow them. After doing so, I found another arrow that led me to another. After three more bone arrows, they finally led me right to my great uncle's house.
JULIA: Very kind but very creepy.
ERIC: I think your uncle's the bone man.
JULIA: Your uncle might be the bone man. This might be another bloody bone situation, where instead of a grandpa jumping out of a tree, it's your uncle being like, "I'm gonna put some creepy arrows made out of bones."
ERIC: See, Julia grandparents can be old because if you've ever believed that a grandpa jumped out of a tree so like the grandparents can't be young and spry.
JULIA: That man was like 90 something, though when they sent that email.
AMANDA: Yeah, I mean maybe the great uncle was just, like, very glad that he was getting a visitor and wanted to have, wanted to provide, you know, an experience that was, you know, a little bit memorable but still positive in terms of getting lost in the woods.
JULIA: Oh, yes. If I have grandchildren, I'm going to make them memorable experience of leaving bones out for them.
ERIC: Maybe he's just a very messy chicken wing eater.
JULIA: But they fall so perfectly into arrows.
ERIC: Very lucky.
AMANDA: It's incredible. I mean, that would definitely explain the bone outfit. You got to have your supplies on you.
JULIA: Yeah.
AMANDA: All right. Well, as I was about to leave the forest, I heard a familiar rattling of bones. I didn't turn around but I just said, "Thank you very much." He hummed a melody that I interpreted as his answer, and went backward into the forest. When I later told my great uncle, he told me that this happened to my great great grandmother and great great grandfather after a date. And this was two of only four times where the bone man talked to those he helped. Apparently, he sometimes does help people like him that got lost in the forest so they don't suffer the same fate and show them a path. As thanks for him, bringing me home, we left him a bottle of beer from the local brewery and a bowl of strawberries out of the garden of my great aunt. And ate and drank the same when we got back to the house. I love that little twist. I love leaving the offering and then enjoying the same meal.
ERIC: That's nice.
JULIA: So, my question is, if you were on a date.
ERIC: Okay.
JULIA: Say, this is probably sometime in the 1800s of this, this person's great great grandparents. You're on a date with your future, you know, spouse, and you are walking through the forest and then you're, you come across the creepy bone man.
ERIC: Mmh-hmm.
JULIA: This creepy bone man, "Are you going to go on other dates? Or is this just the end of, this is the end of the relationship?
AMANDA: Oh, this is a huge bonding moment as far as I'm concerned.
ERIC: Yeah.
AMANDA: And you get to see if your potential partner is courteous to spirits which I think is very important.
ERIC: Yeah,
JULIA: You know what, I say that now and then I remember that I've told the story of the man and the hat, at the trench coat with the dog. And the fact that it was Jake and I in the car at that time, so nevermind. I get it. Nevermind.
AMANDA: I think it could be a very good omen, you know?
JULIA: Mmh-hmm.
AMANDA: Well, in the morning, only the bowl was still there and it was empty. And as I walked the same way, the bone man led me the night before, because I had to get my phone back--they clarify. I saw that a few branches only a few feet from where I had walked were broken and footprints were leading to the exact same spot I heard him from when I thanked him at the end of the journey. It seems like he was watching over me that whole way. A few weeks later, by the way, a group of archaeologists visited the village because they found a cave with Neolithic tools that suggested there was indeed a village and that cave may indeed have been the place where the shaman held rituals. This Neolithic village was partially under the village that my great uncle now lives in. It is now the belief that this was the village that bone man came from. And to this day, the bow man is sometimes heard when people wander the forest at night.
JULIA: No, no, no, no. Hate that. Hate that.
AMANDA: And Dom did offer to send us a six pack of the beer that they gave the bone man. So, listen, we'd be very into that.
JULIA: I would be very into that. The international shipping cost would probably be very expensive. So, don't worry about it.
AMANDA: No worries if not, however if it ever were to happen, you know, if nothing else, have one in our honor, but damn loved it.
JULIA: Love that. Oh, my goodness. What a good way to go out.
AMANDA: Thank you very much. Well, I'm happy to give us our, our amuse-bouche and our desert, our digestif.
JULIA: Om-nom-nom.
AMANDA: And damn, I'm just going to be thinking about that Aswang drool for a good few weeks.
ERIC: I have forgotten about it. I don't want to think about it anymore.
JULIA: But the bones.
ERIC: I'll think about the bones. I don't want to think about the drool.
AMANDA: Just, I think when you're going out, ask yourself, you know, what are my non-bone items of clothing that I'm going to wear today?
JULIA: Mmh-hmm.
ERIC: Yep.
JULIA: Mmh-hmm. That's, That's true. It's always a deer skin.
AMANDA: Always a deer skin. Well, thanks everyone for writing . We love you very much, and remember.
JULIA: Stay creepy.
AMANDA: Stay cool.
JULIA: Especially if you're a ghost hunting grandma.
AMANDA: You're already so cool. You're good. Spirits was created by Amanda McLoughlin, Julia Schifini, and Eric Schneider with music by Kevin MacLeod and visual design by Alison Wakeman.
JULIA: Keep up with all things creepy and cool by following us @spiritspodcast on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and Tumblr. We also have all of our episode transcripts, guest appearances, and merch on our website. As well as a forum to send us in your urban legends, and your advice from folklore questions at spiritspodcast.com.
AMANDA: Join our member community on Patreon, patreon.com/spiritspodcast for all kinds of behind-the-scenes goodies. Just $1 gets you access to audio extras with so much more like recipe cards with alcoholic and non-alcoholic for every single episode, director's commentaries, real physical gifts, and more.
JULIA: We are a founding member of Multitude, an independent podcast collective, and production studio. If you like Spirits, you will love the other shows that live on our website at multitude.productions.
AMANDA: Above all else, if you liked what you heard today, please text one friend about us. That's the very best way to help keep us growing.
JULIA: Thanks for listening to Spirits. We'll see you next week.
AMANDA: Bye.
Transcribed by: John Matthew Sarong
Edited by: Krizia Marrie Casil